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In reply to the discussion: It's Not Just Young White Liberals Who Are Leaving Religion [View all]Celerity
(54,790 posts)71. you are misrepresenting Michio Kaku's concept of 'god'
Michio Kaku believes in God, if not that God
Its been said that string theory physicist Michio Kaku believes in God, but the truth is it depends on what God means.
https://bigthink.com/robby-berman/michio-kaku-believes-in-god-if-not-that-god
Co-founder of string field theory and physicist Michio Kaku made waves last year or at least seemed to when it was reported that hed proven the existence of God. The Geophilosophical Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies quoted Kaku as saying, "I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence. To me, it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance." Reacting to that public comment, Kaku said: "Thats one of the drawbacks of being in a public sphere: Sometimes you get quoted incorrectly. My own point of view is that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God." "Science is based on what is testable, reproducible, and falsifiable," Kaku says. "Thats called 'science.' However, there are certain things that are not testable, not reproducible, and not falsifiable. And that would include the existence of God." He's noted that discerning whether you live in a Matrix-style construct or not would be another such 'non-falsifiable' problem.
Part of the problem, of course, is that "God" has different meanings to different people, and in discussing It/Him/Her, theres apt to be confusion. And yet believers continue to ask scientists this question, perhaps seeking scientific confirmation for their faith. They want to know if Kakus an atheist, but when we cant agree on what God is, atheist has even less meaning. In any event, when asked about God, Kaku is likely to quote Einsteins suggestion that there are two types of god: One god is a personal god, the god that you pray to, the god that smites the Philistines, the god that walks on water. Thats the first god. But theres another god, and thats the god of Spinoza. Thats the god of beauty, harmony, simplicity.
Its that second God to which Kaku is drawn. He tells innovation tech today that the universe could have been random, but that instead Our universe is rich; it is beautiful, elegant. Hes stuck by what he sees as its exquisite simplicity, pointing out that all of the laws of physics could fit on a single sheet of paper, and, In fact, what I do for a living is to try to get that sheet of paper and summarize it into an equation one inch long. He asserts that with his string field theory, he had that one-inch explanation of everything, but that with new developments in membrane theory, he needs a little more room. For now. Still, Kaku says, this will happen. Physics is the opposite of most other fields of study, he says: With every new advance it gets simpler, and in that lies his sense of wonder. So, thats the God of Einstein. The God of beauty, [the idea] that says that the universe is simpler the more we study it.

That other kind of God clearly has less appeal for Kaku, as it generally does for physicists and other scientists, including Neil DeGrasse Tyson, who says that believers he talks to tell him that God is all-powerful and good, but when he looks at all the ways Earth wants to kill us, he just doesnt see how both could be true. So when Kaku asserts that the goal of string field theory is to read the mind of God, its important to remember hes talking about Einsteins God of Order. To read the mind of God would be to find that (one-inch) equation that explains everything in the cosmos. Bearing in mind the continual game of leapfrog going on between math and physics, and that the latest leap is physics' string theory, which requires a new type of math, Kaku mischievously suggests that the ultimate solution to the schism between physicists and mathematicians could be that God is a mathematician. And, he says, the mind of God the explanation of Order may turn out to be string field theorys cosmic music, the resonating of strings through 11-dimensional hyperspace.
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Its been said that string theory physicist Michio Kaku believes in God, but the truth is it depends on what God means.
https://bigthink.com/robby-berman/michio-kaku-believes-in-god-if-not-that-god
Co-founder of string field theory and physicist Michio Kaku made waves last year or at least seemed to when it was reported that hed proven the existence of God. The Geophilosophical Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies quoted Kaku as saying, "I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence. To me, it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance." Reacting to that public comment, Kaku said: "Thats one of the drawbacks of being in a public sphere: Sometimes you get quoted incorrectly. My own point of view is that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God." "Science is based on what is testable, reproducible, and falsifiable," Kaku says. "Thats called 'science.' However, there are certain things that are not testable, not reproducible, and not falsifiable. And that would include the existence of God." He's noted that discerning whether you live in a Matrix-style construct or not would be another such 'non-falsifiable' problem.
Part of the problem, of course, is that "God" has different meanings to different people, and in discussing It/Him/Her, theres apt to be confusion. And yet believers continue to ask scientists this question, perhaps seeking scientific confirmation for their faith. They want to know if Kakus an atheist, but when we cant agree on what God is, atheist has even less meaning. In any event, when asked about God, Kaku is likely to quote Einsteins suggestion that there are two types of god: One god is a personal god, the god that you pray to, the god that smites the Philistines, the god that walks on water. Thats the first god. But theres another god, and thats the god of Spinoza. Thats the god of beauty, harmony, simplicity.
Its that second God to which Kaku is drawn. He tells innovation tech today that the universe could have been random, but that instead Our universe is rich; it is beautiful, elegant. Hes stuck by what he sees as its exquisite simplicity, pointing out that all of the laws of physics could fit on a single sheet of paper, and, In fact, what I do for a living is to try to get that sheet of paper and summarize it into an equation one inch long. He asserts that with his string field theory, he had that one-inch explanation of everything, but that with new developments in membrane theory, he needs a little more room. For now. Still, Kaku says, this will happen. Physics is the opposite of most other fields of study, he says: With every new advance it gets simpler, and in that lies his sense of wonder. So, thats the God of Einstein. The God of beauty, [the idea] that says that the universe is simpler the more we study it.

That other kind of God clearly has less appeal for Kaku, as it generally does for physicists and other scientists, including Neil DeGrasse Tyson, who says that believers he talks to tell him that God is all-powerful and good, but when he looks at all the ways Earth wants to kill us, he just doesnt see how both could be true. So when Kaku asserts that the goal of string field theory is to read the mind of God, its important to remember hes talking about Einsteins God of Order. To read the mind of God would be to find that (one-inch) equation that explains everything in the cosmos. Bearing in mind the continual game of leapfrog going on between math and physics, and that the latest leap is physics' string theory, which requires a new type of math, Kaku mischievously suggests that the ultimate solution to the schism between physicists and mathematicians could be that God is a mathematician. And, he says, the mind of God the explanation of Order may turn out to be string field theorys cosmic music, the resonating of strings through 11-dimensional hyperspace.
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It's Not Just Young White Liberals Who Are Leaving Religion [View all]
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Apr 2021
OP
There is so much evidence for consciousness after death, I can't see atheism. To me, that shows
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#2
Please see all my remarks below... it's getting late!!! Thanks for your civility. Nothing seems to
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#52
count me in! I am truly curious as to the 'evidence' of post death conscientiousness
rurallib
Apr 2021
#14
Please see my comments below for some resources, but there are many more! As to after death
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#46
Thank you for your civility!!! Please see all my comments below. It seems like with every reply, I
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#50
Please point me to the Mainstream Medical Journal that has any articles that include this evidence.
Tommymac
Apr 2021
#12
Not that you actually care, but Ian Stevenson, a professor at U. VA. published a whole ton of
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#45
Thanks for setting me straight and my apologies for thinking you'd made a snarky comment.
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#59
No worries. Believe me, if I meant it to be snarky I would have used appropriate smilies.
Tommymac
Apr 2021
#60
Well this is odd. I didn't recognize anything in my library, but I did a google and this book sounds
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#62
Please see my comment #40. Also, Your Eternal Self for more evidence. Your comment # 2 is
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#44
Thank you. Actually, there is no reliable, falsifiable proof of anything metaphysical.
lindysalsagal
Apr 2021
#77
The Afterlife Experiments conducted at U. AZ...and the hundreds of case studies by Ian Stevenson.
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#40
Well! Now you're found my Achilles' heel. Please see all my comments. Unfortunately, the only thing
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#54
pull up your website - click on the address bar to bring up the full address of the page
rurallib
Apr 2021
#61
I almost made it through half of the quiz! I don't place much importance in the literal level of
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#63
Jesus! If you'll peruse my comments to others, you'll find several books about studies done to
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#68
It's a book. For a recap, perhaps google Afterlife Experiments and a site may have info. I can't
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#67
The famous physicist, what's his name, Michu?.... was speaking recently and he said so and so
Karadeniz
Apr 2021
#55
Funny, back in the European Middle Ages 'Atheist' simply meant you did not proscribe to Catholicism.
Tommymac
Apr 2021
#58
"In the man-centered universe of the time, one can appreciate the anguish of the Rev. Mr. Kirby . .
hatrack
Apr 2021
#31
Most likely - 19th Century, I'd assume, since Eisely was writing mid-20th Century
hatrack
Apr 2021
#37
I've always felt that the numbers of non-worshipers are far larger than claimed by pollsters
msfiddlestix
Apr 2021
#69