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kurt_cagle

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72. Different scenario

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:27 PM

Oct 2012

Georgia has always been considered within the Russian orbit - after the Soviet Union collapsed, there has long been a tacit assumption that the "breakaway countries" that had been within the Soviet Union itself were effectively on their own. Challenging the Russians on Georgia would have been problematic, and at that stage Bush had no political clout to spend.

Romney would have no such constraint. Syria has been a difficult foreign policy problem for a while, since a significant of Russians have moved to Syria and intermarried. Beyond strategic importance, Syria is as much Russia's colony in the region as Israel is the US's. Obama does not want to get pulled into that conflict - it serves no real purpose, and it has the potential to significantly backfire. Romney, on the other hand, seems to be moving into the NeoCon camp there, and wants to "clean it up" once and for all. This cannot end well.

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For those of you out there who believe Mitt Romney will start WWIII if elected..... [View all] AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 OP

Please provide a link to a DU discussion about Myth DonViejo Oct 2012 #1

Not so much here, but on the Internet in general. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #2

Actually, not at all here. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #3

Your OP is the only one I've ever read on DU alleging DonViejo Oct 2012 #5

I didn't say Romney would begin WWIII, quite the opposite, actually! AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #16

Never forget that Romney is a puppet SCVDem Oct 2012 #66

I say what I say because I know what I'm talking about. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #78

If you knew what you were talking about, how come not that many people are agreeing with you?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #92

I know full well about PNAC. And they scare me. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #108

I've always been intrigued by how PNAC... KansDem Oct 2012 #128

Ha-ha. "Private Romney"! I like the cut of your jib. Put the private on coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #160

Here ya go. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #70

Meh, there's plenty of people here who think "WWIII" every time a diplomat sneezes. Posteritatis Oct 2012 #86

Sadly, it seems you may be right. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #149

hope your right but ELI BOY 1950 Oct 2012 #4

Welcome to DU! lunatica Oct 2012 #10

A war, no doubt. But I doubt WWIII is even more than remotely possible today. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #15

Not WWIII, just a 3 trillion dollar war with Iran that will cost 4000 American lives begin_within Oct 2012 #6

which could turn into WW3. Raster Oct 2012 #28

"Home before the leaves fall" Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #64

Very true in the case of Iran. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #71

Start a fire in the region holding 80% of worlds remaining oil reserves Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #77

Under the right circumstances, yes. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #80

Which probably will turn into World War III. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #101

Possibly in the conventional sense but even that's unlikely. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #119

The risks associated with an attack on Iran... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #132

That I can definitely agree with. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #147

That is a definite possibility. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #44

Only 4000? Confusious Oct 2012 #52

That does make sense when you think about it. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #56

and what will stop us from doing that anyway? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2012 #84

Syria/Iran and sectarian chaos, combined with the collapse of OPEC CabCurious Oct 2012 #134

You think a land war with Iran will cost only 4000 American lives? Iran has 1,000,000 soldiers coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #161

Then his proposed doubling of the Pentagon budget is puzzling. JohnnyRingo Oct 2012 #7

How exactly is Putin risking 160 million lives? lunatica Oct 2012 #8

WWIII is not educated speculation by any means. That's why I'm a little concerned lately. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #14

Even though we have been at war perpetually for at least a century lunatica Oct 2012 #21

Mostly impossible, yes. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #23

Realistic? lunatica Oct 2012 #29

Quite the opposite. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #35

Of course they won't use nukes. They don't have to in order lunatica Oct 2012 #37

I did. So what? Doesn't give credence to the WW3 theory. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #42

You might want to read up more on Russia, then. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #39

Or so the media tells us. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #41

Why not? He may think, like Americans do, that lunatica Oct 2012 #45

No, I don't think we're at all unique. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #49

Pretty good?! knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #139

Some probably do. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #143

Check the latest polls on Putin and get back to me. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #155

Oh, stop already. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #145

Hon, I lived there. This isn't US MSM narrative. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #138

No, but I think he'll put a couple more jackasses on the SCOTUS Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #9

with all due respect DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #11

Very true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #51

Not just possible DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #54

You've hit the nail on the head here. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #76

First time I heard that one. Old Union Guy Oct 2012 #12

My sentiment exactly! AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #19

Republicans remember the bounce Poppy got with his Gulf War treestar Oct 2012 #13

Too many people remember the scares of the Cold War, though. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #17

You're losing your argument lunatica Oct 2012 #30

Whatever you'd like to believe. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #47

Could not intend to and do it just the same. No experience + Bush foreign policy team jsmirman Oct 2012 #18

I'm very concerned about Romney's possible fuck-ups would he ever win the Presidency. Believe me. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #22

I think perhaps it can be expressed as - he could cause major damage and chaos overseas jsmirman Oct 2012 #27

I mostly agree with this one. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #62

umm, he's a fuckin liar and will sell his mother for money?!?! REALLY? He has no redeeming character uponit7771 Oct 2012 #20

Yeah, but does that automatically make WWIII a sure thing or even likely? AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #25

Yes, if he can profit somehow from it he'll do it...he's already said he'd take advantage of any ... uponit7771 Oct 2012 #133

He may have said that, but will it even indirectly lead to WWIII? IDTS. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #150

Let's examine your points, one-by-one.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #24

Let's be realistic. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #31

Read up on Putin. Just sayin'. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #40

I have read up on Putin. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #43

There have also been lots of protests in the US - so what?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #63

There were many right-wing hawks in the Cold War era..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #67

What's that old saying about not waking up "sleeping giants"?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #89

They were and are. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #141

He's not Dubya. He's far more dangerous. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #140

The Russian media can't be trusted 100%, either. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #142

Hon, I studied and lived there in '95. Yeah, I remember. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #154

If what you said made sense I wouldn't have responded. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #59

I have a one word answer for you mick063 Oct 2012 #26

I've taken many things into account. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #32

If he just got us involved in smaller regional wars it would be bad aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #33

That is very true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #36

What I know is what rommney has the same PNAC people that bush had as his advisors, and I do NOT still_one Oct 2012 #34

I don't trust them not to, I just don't think it's that possible. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #38

What makes you think THOSE are the most likely scenarios? annabanana Oct 2012 #46

Sounds plausible. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #48

Can't say as I have ever... 99Forever Oct 2012 #50

Yes, Romney is an arrogant asshole, and a stupid one at that. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #53

So you think that there's some "reasonable way".. 99Forever Oct 2012 #61

I'm not thinking about keeping silent about Romney. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #65

You keep saying that.. 99Forever Oct 2012 #83

Different scenario kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #72

I don't think it'll end well, either. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #74

Fugg WilLIARd Rmoney n/t malaise Oct 2012 #55

Yes. Fucking FUCK Mittens Rmoney! AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #60

it's my future and i'll speculate about it all i want. extreme? don't think so. spanone Oct 2012 #57

The problem is, this stuff can actually hurt us. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #58

Do I Believe Romney will Start WWIII? kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #68

Even with flashpoints, it STILL isn't anywhere near likely. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #73

Not totally agreed. kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #162

Some good points here, but..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #163

HE won't. But he'll sign off on the neocon's new war, like GWB did. He's weak... Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #69

That much is very true. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #75

When you build a war machine, you have to use it. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #79

Yes, I don't doubt that. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #82

WWIII? brush Oct 2012 #81

I don't think he will start World War III jmowreader Oct 2012 #85

Very, very true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #87

Romney... deathrind Oct 2012 #88

yea, the doom and gloomers are always around, but they have been fairly quiet compared to past years quinnox Oct 2012 #90

TBH, I think you're probably right about this, at least as far as DU is concerned. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #109

WWIII is hyperbole, he will just start a war, Iran being the most likely target... Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #91

Yeah. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #110

Here I am... ejbr Oct 2012 #93

It's only about the oil. Iran is the remaing independent top five reserves Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #94

Russia is the No. 2 oil exporter last time I checked, and will be runaway No. 1 Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #96

Yes, and oil is all that is required to begin another world war. "Peak oil" and all that. Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #99

A few (or more) years back Canada and Venezuela jumped to the top due to their tar sands Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #106

Mitt & the Neocons talk of taking out Iran's nuclear facilities and kiranon Oct 2012 #95

Yeah. Still, though, his stupidity is frickin' worrisome. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #113

Your concern is noted, Zoeisright Oct 2012 #97

Foolish? No. Unnecessary? I hope so. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #112

You're behind by one war...Richard Armitage has publicly stated WWIII has already occurred. Lars39 Oct 2012 #98

I remember the first neo-con war myth. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #111

Bush Tried. McCain's campaign song was Bomb Iran RobertEarl Oct 2012 #100

You accusing me of being a Romney acolyte or something? AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #114

I don't know, Joe RobertEarl Oct 2012 #117

Well, frankly, I feel the same way about this WW3 talk. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #121

Well, Joe, RobertEarl Oct 2012 #123

Very concerning! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #102

I get it now. RobertEarl Oct 2012 #105

Sums it up. nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #107

What do you mean? nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #116

Sorry, but I'm genuine. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #118

Romney might start WW3 on accident AgingAmerican Oct 2012 #103

Well, I dunno about WW3. Not yet. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #115

Everyone is missing something Corgigal Oct 2012 #104

Very true, and Romney does scare me quite a bit. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #120

What will happen, in case you didn't notce this under Bush: aquart Oct 2012 #122

I think our attitude towards Venezuela's a stupid-ass mistake, too. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #125

we're speculating that Romney's going to start WWIII? ibegurpard Oct 2012 #124

We know he's hot for war, at least to pay off Sheldon Adelson Warpy Oct 2012 #126

Unfortunately, you could be very correct on this, Warpy. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #127

romney has the backbone of jello Fresh_Start Oct 2012 #129

He wouldn't do it intentionally. moondust Oct 2012 #130

I don't think he has as much say in the matter as you assume. nt sibelian Oct 2012 #131

Republicans are the party of peace. Hugabear Oct 2012 #135

Romney's an idiot. He blusters a lot, just like Reagan did. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #146

Reagan was fracking dangerous! knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #156

WWIII? Of this I am sure, he would be glad to send anyone elses' kid to fight anything lonestarnot Oct 2012 #136

That much is very, very, true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #144

Rmoney is dangerous DemKittyNC Oct 2012 #137

Yes, I can agree, he is very dangerous and will cause us MUCH trouble if elected. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #148

You seem to have a narrow version of WWIII Nikia Oct 2012 #151

I guess you do have a valid point, Nikia. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #152

Yeah I wasn't really thinking nuclear either DemKittyNC Oct 2012 #153

Who has said this? Why are you making up issues that don't don't exist? NashvilleLefty Oct 2012 #157

Nye Bevan found this link a while back: AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #158

pretty sure WW3 has already started...at least, the *August 1939* antics anyway 21 December 2012 Oct 2012 #159

Romney and WW3 jqanderson1 Oct 2012 #164