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Strelnikov_

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96. Russia is the No. 2 oil exporter last time I checked, and will be runaway No. 1
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:50 PM
Oct 2012

if KSA facilities are damaged.

They already are the worlds largest combined exporter of petroleum and natural gas.

Russia is playing both sides of this issue as cover, but have no doubt, they will be the only winner of an Iran conflict (if it does not spin out of control, which is the reason form the cover).

Putin's dissertation addressed using Russia's energy resources to exert power. A liquid fuels 'panic' would
prove an excellent opportunity to initiate the 'petrorouble'.


Putin has long been nursing ambitions of using Russia's vast oil and gas supplies as an instrument of power. In the mid '90s, after 15 years in the KGB, Putin went back to school, attending the St. Petersburg Mining Institute. He wrote a dissertation titled "Toward a Russian Transnational Energy Company." The topic: how to use energy resources for grand strategic planning.

“In the early stages of pro-market reforms in Russia the state temporarily lost strategic control over the mineral resources industry. This led to the stagnation and disintegration of the geological sector built over many decades…. However, today the market euphoria of the early years of economic reform is gradually giving room to a more balanced approach that... recognises the need for a regulatory role of the state.”

- Vladimir Putin, “Toward a Russian Transnational Energy Company.”, PhD dissertation, St. Petersburg Mining Institute


”The Rouble must become a more widespread means of international transactions. To this end, we need to open a stock exchange in Russia to trade in oil, gas, and other goods to be paid for in Roubles. Our goods are traded on global markets. Why are not they traded in Russia?”

— President Vladimir Putin, Speaking before the full Russian parliament, Cabinet and international reporters, May 2006


”Russia has found the Achilles’ heel of the US colossus. In concert with its oil-producing partners and the rising powerhouse economies of the East, Russia is altering the foundations of the current US-led liberal global oil-market order, insidiously working to undermine its US-centric nature and slanting it toward serving first and foremost the energy-security needs and the geopolitical aspirations of the rising East”

- W. Joseph Stroupe, author, Russian Rubicon: Impending Checkmate of the West, as quoted in the Asia Times, November 22, 2006


From the Russian perspective, the Saudi role and OPEC model have benefited the United States, which can pressure Saudi Arabia into opening the spigot to deal with supply emergencies; the US also pressures other oil producers, such as Libya, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, and Indonesia, by military methods, diplomacy, and economic sanctions. In the Russian alternative, the US will be far less influential, and have fewer levers, commercial or military, to effect pressure on the energy suppliers. Russian arms and defense-industry partnerships are on offer to relatively weak, intervention-prone energy producers in Africa and Latin America to offset US pressure.

In the OPEC model, the benchmark is Brent crude, priced in US dollars. In the Russian model, the discount and disadvantage between the Brent and Urals benchmarks will be reduced, and pricing will evolve toward a currency basket, including the ruble. In the OPEC model, suppliers hold much of their cash and government securities in US controlled institutions. In the Russian model, cash is held in the form of a currency basket; conversion from cash is sought into non-US assets, particularly in the European market.

In the OPEC model, investment in new energy reserves should be open to, and may be controlled by, US corporations. In the Russian model, strategic reserves should be controlled by national companies, state-controlled champions, or joint ventures in which Russian interests are in the majority. The Russian model also extends to energy-convertible coal, uranium, and other mineral resources. Through negotiations for Russian accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO), the US, Australia, Canada and other resource-exporting states have sought to gain unlimited access to search and development of Russian minable resources.

The Russian model rejects this, and instead assigns priority and equity control of domestic resources to national resource companies. The model proposes tradeoffs and partnerships in resource exploitation in third countries, especially the developing states. The US-backed OPEC model assigns international priority to the Arab states. The Russian model assigns priority to the Central Asian alliance, including China, India, and Iran; secondarily to Latin America and ultimately Africa.”


- John Helmer, “Russian energy model challenges OPEC,” Asia Times, July 18, 2006,


http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com/PDFs/Hysteria_Over_Iran_and_a_New_Cold_War_with_Russia.pdf (.pdf)


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Please provide a link to a DU discussion about Myth DonViejo Oct 2012 #1
Not so much here, but on the Internet in general. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #2
Actually, not at all here. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #3
Your OP is the only one I've ever read on DU alleging DonViejo Oct 2012 #5
I didn't say Romney would begin WWIII, quite the opposite, actually! AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #16
Never forget that Romney is a puppet SCVDem Oct 2012 #66
I say what I say because I know what I'm talking about. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #78
If you knew what you were talking about, how come not that many people are agreeing with you?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #92
I know full well about PNAC. And they scare me. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #108
I've always been intrigued by how PNAC... KansDem Oct 2012 #128
Ha-ha. "Private Romney"! I like the cut of your jib. Put the private on coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #160
Here ya go. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #70
Meh, there's plenty of people here who think "WWIII" every time a diplomat sneezes. Posteritatis Oct 2012 #86
Sadly, it seems you may be right. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #149
hope your right but ELI BOY 1950 Oct 2012 #4
Welcome to DU! lunatica Oct 2012 #10
A war, no doubt. But I doubt WWIII is even more than remotely possible today. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #15
Not WWIII, just a 3 trillion dollar war with Iran that will cost 4000 American lives begin_within Oct 2012 #6
which could turn into WW3. Raster Oct 2012 #28
"Home before the leaves fall" Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #64
Very true in the case of Iran. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #71
Start a fire in the region holding 80% of worlds remaining oil reserves Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #77
Under the right circumstances, yes. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #80
Which probably will turn into World War III. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #101
Possibly in the conventional sense but even that's unlikely. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #119
The risks associated with an attack on Iran... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #132
That I can definitely agree with. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #147
That is a definite possibility. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #44
Only 4000? Confusious Oct 2012 #52
That does make sense when you think about it. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #56
and what will stop us from doing that anyway? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2012 #84
Syria/Iran and sectarian chaos, combined with the collapse of OPEC CabCurious Oct 2012 #134
You think a land war with Iran will cost only 4000 American lives? Iran has 1,000,000 soldiers coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #161
Then his proposed doubling of the Pentagon budget is puzzling. JohnnyRingo Oct 2012 #7
How exactly is Putin risking 160 million lives? lunatica Oct 2012 #8
WWIII is not educated speculation by any means. That's why I'm a little concerned lately. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #14
Even though we have been at war perpetually for at least a century lunatica Oct 2012 #21
Mostly impossible, yes. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #23
Realistic? lunatica Oct 2012 #29
Quite the opposite. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #35
Of course they won't use nukes. They don't have to in order lunatica Oct 2012 #37
I did. So what? Doesn't give credence to the WW3 theory. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #42
You might want to read up more on Russia, then. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #39
Or so the media tells us. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #41
Why not? He may think, like Americans do, that lunatica Oct 2012 #45
No, I don't think we're at all unique. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #49
Pretty good?! knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #139
Some probably do. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #143
Check the latest polls on Putin and get back to me. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #155
Oh, stop already. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #145
Hon, I lived there. This isn't US MSM narrative. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #138
No, but I think he'll put a couple more jackasses on the SCOTUS Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #9
with all due respect DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #11
Very true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #51
Not just possible DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #54
You've hit the nail on the head here. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #76
First time I heard that one. Old Union Guy Oct 2012 #12
My sentiment exactly! AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #19
Republicans remember the bounce Poppy got with his Gulf War treestar Oct 2012 #13
Too many people remember the scares of the Cold War, though. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #17
You're losing your argument lunatica Oct 2012 #30
Whatever you'd like to believe. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #47
Could not intend to and do it just the same. No experience + Bush foreign policy team jsmirman Oct 2012 #18
I'm very concerned about Romney's possible fuck-ups would he ever win the Presidency. Believe me. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #22
I think perhaps it can be expressed as - he could cause major damage and chaos overseas jsmirman Oct 2012 #27
I mostly agree with this one. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #62
umm, he's a fuckin liar and will sell his mother for money?!?! REALLY? He has no redeeming character uponit7771 Oct 2012 #20
Yeah, but does that automatically make WWIII a sure thing or even likely? AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #25
Yes, if he can profit somehow from it he'll do it...he's already said he'd take advantage of any ... uponit7771 Oct 2012 #133
He may have said that, but will it even indirectly lead to WWIII? IDTS. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #150
Let's examine your points, one-by-one.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #24
Let's be realistic. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #31
Read up on Putin. Just sayin'. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #40
I have read up on Putin. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #43
There have also been lots of protests in the US - so what?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #63
There were many right-wing hawks in the Cold War era..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #67
What's that old saying about not waking up "sleeping giants"?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #89
They were and are. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #141
He's not Dubya. He's far more dangerous. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #140
The Russian media can't be trusted 100%, either. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #142
Hon, I studied and lived there in '95. Yeah, I remember. knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #154
If what you said made sense I wouldn't have responded. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #59
I have a one word answer for you mick063 Oct 2012 #26
I've taken many things into account. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #32
If he just got us involved in smaller regional wars it would be bad aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #33
That is very true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #36
What I know is what rommney has the same PNAC people that bush had as his advisors, and I do NOT still_one Oct 2012 #34
I don't trust them not to, I just don't think it's that possible. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #38
What makes you think THOSE are the most likely scenarios? annabanana Oct 2012 #46
Sounds plausible. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #48
Can't say as I have ever... 99Forever Oct 2012 #50
Yes, Romney is an arrogant asshole, and a stupid one at that. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #53
So you think that there's some "reasonable way".. 99Forever Oct 2012 #61
I'm not thinking about keeping silent about Romney. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #65
You keep saying that.. 99Forever Oct 2012 #83
Different scenario kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #72
I don't think it'll end well, either. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #74
Fugg WilLIARd Rmoney n/t malaise Oct 2012 #55
Yes. Fucking FUCK Mittens Rmoney! AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #60
it's my future and i'll speculate about it all i want. extreme? don't think so. spanone Oct 2012 #57
The problem is, this stuff can actually hurt us. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #58
Do I Believe Romney will Start WWIII? kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #68
Even with flashpoints, it STILL isn't anywhere near likely. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #73
Not totally agreed. kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #162
Some good points here, but..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #163
HE won't. But he'll sign off on the neocon's new war, like GWB did. He's weak... Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #69
That much is very true. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #75
When you build a war machine, you have to use it. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #79
Yes, I don't doubt that. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #82
WWIII? brush Oct 2012 #81
I don't think he will start World War III jmowreader Oct 2012 #85
Very, very true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #87
Romney... deathrind Oct 2012 #88
yea, the doom and gloomers are always around, but they have been fairly quiet compared to past years quinnox Oct 2012 #90
TBH, I think you're probably right about this, at least as far as DU is concerned. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #109
WWIII is hyperbole, he will just start a war, Iran being the most likely target... Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #91
Yeah. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #110
Here I am... ejbr Oct 2012 #93
It's only about the oil. Iran is the remaing independent top five reserves Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #94
Russia is the No. 2 oil exporter last time I checked, and will be runaway No. 1 Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #96
Yes, and oil is all that is required to begin another world war. "Peak oil" and all that. Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #99
A few (or more) years back Canada and Venezuela jumped to the top due to their tar sands Strelnikov_ Oct 2012 #106
Mitt & the Neocons talk of taking out Iran's nuclear facilities and kiranon Oct 2012 #95
Yeah. Still, though, his stupidity is frickin' worrisome. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #113
Your concern is noted, Zoeisright Oct 2012 #97
Foolish? No. Unnecessary? I hope so. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #112
You're behind by one war...Richard Armitage has publicly stated WWIII has already occurred. Lars39 Oct 2012 #98
I remember the first neo-con war myth. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #111
Bush Tried. McCain's campaign song was Bomb Iran RobertEarl Oct 2012 #100
You accusing me of being a Romney acolyte or something? AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #114
I don't know, Joe RobertEarl Oct 2012 #117
Well, frankly, I feel the same way about this WW3 talk. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #121
Well, Joe, RobertEarl Oct 2012 #123
Very concerning! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #102
I get it now. RobertEarl Oct 2012 #105
Sums it up. nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #107
What do you mean? nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #116
Sorry, but I'm genuine. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #118
Romney might start WW3 on accident AgingAmerican Oct 2012 #103
Well, I dunno about WW3. Not yet. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #115
Everyone is missing something Corgigal Oct 2012 #104
Very true, and Romney does scare me quite a bit. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #120
What will happen, in case you didn't notce this under Bush: aquart Oct 2012 #122
I think our attitude towards Venezuela's a stupid-ass mistake, too. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #125
we're speculating that Romney's going to start WWIII? ibegurpard Oct 2012 #124
We know he's hot for war, at least to pay off Sheldon Adelson Warpy Oct 2012 #126
Unfortunately, you could be very correct on this, Warpy. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #127
romney has the backbone of jello Fresh_Start Oct 2012 #129
He wouldn't do it intentionally. moondust Oct 2012 #130
I don't think he has as much say in the matter as you assume. nt sibelian Oct 2012 #131
Republicans are the party of peace. Hugabear Oct 2012 #135
Romney's an idiot. He blusters a lot, just like Reagan did. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #146
Reagan was fracking dangerous! knitter4democracy Oct 2012 #156
WWIII? Of this I am sure, he would be glad to send anyone elses' kid to fight anything lonestarnot Oct 2012 #136
That much is very, very, true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #144
Rmoney is dangerous DemKittyNC Oct 2012 #137
Yes, I can agree, he is very dangerous and will cause us MUCH trouble if elected. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #148
You seem to have a narrow version of WWIII Nikia Oct 2012 #151
I guess you do have a valid point, Nikia. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #152
Yeah I wasn't really thinking nuclear either DemKittyNC Oct 2012 #153
Who has said this? Why are you making up issues that don't don't exist? NashvilleLefty Oct 2012 #157
Nye Bevan found this link a while back: AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #158
pretty sure WW3 has already started...at least, the *August 1939* antics anyway 21 December 2012 Oct 2012 #159
Romney and WW3 jqanderson1 Oct 2012 #164
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