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flvegan

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196. You make me laugh.

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:03 AM

Oct 2012

You don't know shit about what's really going on. Sorry, is that taboo?

Culture? Vick may have been raised in a certain culture that apologists like to trump out like idiots.

Fact is, the dog abuser used his bonus money, his millionaire fundage to create a dog fighting kennel. Forgive that all you want.

"Oh, it's commonly found." How fantastic when it works for you. I have never before seen such an idiot argument to forgive a dogfighter and those that will come after him.

He hasn't changed.

Fact is, Michael Vick got caught. He established a dog fighting ring with his bonus money and ran with it as long as he could. Then he got caught, and his damage control folks stepped in. He did time. Insufficient for forgiveness that you've stated. HSUS used him as they could.

Stupidest post I've seen this week. You don't understand shit in regards to this.

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So... Michael Vick has got another dog [View all] Ohio Joe Oct 2012 OP

Agreed. And in our newly adopted state, my wife and I want nothing to do with the Eagles. nt onehandle Oct 2012 #1

Steelers fans welcome you! JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #15

Trading a dog-killer quarterback for a rapist quarteback if you accept JB's recommendation HERVEPA Oct 2012 #28

Some view dogs above people Missycim Oct 2012 #35

I believe the actual comparison HERVEPA Oct 2012 #41

No. Animal abuse is sickening. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #53

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #63

I detest your comment. I love animals to death yet don't place them over people and Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #81

Oh, yeah, I forgot the Pittsburgh QB has his own faults JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #59

Not a Steelers (Ben the Rapist) or Eagles (Vick the Dog Drowner) fan anymore, EVER! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2012 #139

Don't forget Nike, promoter of said Dog Torturer. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #159

Surely, you aren't serious Shirley? deaniac21 Oct 2012 #171

He has every right to own a dog ann--- Oct 2012 #101

He should never own any animal nt newfie11 Oct 2012 #2

People can change jberryhill Oct 2012 #3

That's right...some of us can even change several times in the course of a day! bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #4

Yeah I Know. We call ourselves progressives but yet we can't even recognize LynneSin Oct 2012 #5

+1,000,000,000 Glitterati Oct 2012 #7

Agreed. Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #14

But first, he needs to pay what he owes for the rehabilitation of the dogs he abused. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #25

Wasn't that a condition of his parole? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #140

Not to my knowledge. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #155

I bet Vick takes good care of dog. I'm with give-Vick-a-break crowd now that he's done his time. Hoyt Oct 2012 #26

now i know the world is going to end Missycim Oct 2012 #38

You should take a shower more often than just when you agree with me. Hoyt Oct 2012 #78

Fortunately Missycim has more time to shower mythology Oct 2012 #206

+1 grantcart Oct 2012 #31

I agree. It is possible for people to see the errors of their previous ways... Raster Oct 2012 #36

Thank you for this rational post! n/t zappaman Oct 2012 #88

Excellent post. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #105

I think some around here have manged to forget this Glitterati Oct 2012 #6

Forgiving is all fine and good. But, let's not be forgiving AND stupid. Safety first. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #123

After all, it's not as if he's white jberryhill Oct 2012 #204

Sorry I cannot let you get away with that racist statement. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #205

"There are consequences to actions" jberryhill Oct 2012 #207

Many many states have passed laws imposing such a protection--and law is evolving Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #208

That is true, people can indeed change... Ohio Joe Oct 2012 #20

Rule of thumb - many people change because of jail time LynneSin Oct 2012 #42

I agree. And... Jamastiene Oct 2012 #56

I have not seen anything to show me that people change. hollysmom Oct 2012 #58

People might pretend to change, but Jamastiene Oct 2012 #54

So therefore people can never change as a result of hifiguy Oct 2012 #92

So Sen. Byrd remained a KKK member? jberryhill Oct 2012 #111

Wow that's STUPID. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #122

Support that. flvegan Oct 2012 #197

Yes, people are capable of change. apparently there are people here who rustydog Oct 2012 #94

Who gives a shit, he can change all he wants but he has lost his right to have a dog krawhitham Oct 2012 #172

There is a very high rate of violent recidivism among psychopaths Poiuyt Oct 2012 #191

Yes they can. Specifically, did he? Please answer to prove up your claim. flvegan Oct 2012 #199

What "claim" have I made? jberryhill Oct 2012 #203

That he's changed. flvegan Oct 2012 #210

"People can change" jberryhill Oct 2012 #217

Disgusting Marrah_G Oct 2012 #8

"or someone in his house has developed a taste for dog food." BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #9

It's Michael Vick - we're allowed to say things like that LynneSin Oct 2012 #17

Yeah, we are...we can say that about unrepenant murderers joeybee12 Oct 2012 #77

Oh come off it LynneSin Oct 2012 #85

Cowpokes???? joeybee12 Oct 2012 #167

Because the Eagles' head office demands it of him. JVS Oct 2012 #179

This thread is about Michael Vick, not Ray Lewis! JVS Oct 2012 #180

Call me a bad progressive then. Texasgal Oct 2012 #189

What a ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction JackintheGreen Oct 2012 #19

It's an oft-used RW and racist meme, recently used against the President and his family BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #29

I stand very corrected JackintheGreen Oct 2012 #188

Wow, what a stretch. nt Skip Intro Oct 2012 #51

That is a real reach... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #93

And your comment is as empty as the OP's. n/t BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #112

It's not the OP's remark. It's from the link. nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #148

What does dog food have to do roody Oct 2012 #211

I have never forgiven the Eagles for hiring Vick life long demo Oct 2012 #10

Damn straight - as liberals we should always hold grudges against those who give second changes LynneSin Oct 2012 #34

actually, I always did have a problem with Kennedy leaving Mary Jo hollysmom Oct 2012 #75

Is there any organization you would feel comfortable hiring him. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #108

Or a friend came for a visit... one_voice Oct 2012 #11

The world forgave him for stealing the neighbor's pets for torture games because he Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #12

the child's game meme is bullshit.. frylock Oct 2012 #64

Torture is okay if you're young, rich and talented. At least according to some. flvegan Oct 2012 #95

"Millionaire bonus baby?" He grew up in violence and poverty. nt MADem Oct 2012 #163

You don't know much about this, do you? flvegan Oct 2012 #193

Well, that was cryptic and entirely unhelpful. MADem Oct 2012 #218

Not really, unless you're ignorant. flvegan Oct 2012 #220

The one who's ignorant here is not me. MADem Oct 2012 #222

Keep thinking that. n/t flvegan Oct 2012 #223

Thanks, I will! nt MADem Oct 2012 #224

He's rich pecwae Oct 2012 #183

"The world forgave him" NCTraveler Oct 2012 #114

Good for him alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #13

So much for liberal redemption snooper2 Oct 2012 #16

So Ted Kennedy can leave he scene of an accident allowing a woman to die... LynneSin Oct 2012 #18

My sentiments exactly!.. HipChick Oct 2012 #24

Exactly. BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #32

I am a die hard Eagles fan and season ticket holder Missycim Oct 2012 #39

well played.. frylock Oct 2012 #65

The most sanctimonious posts on this thread all belong to YOU. People have a right to their own Romulox Oct 2012 #89

They do have their rights LynneSin Oct 2012 #99

You have no idea if Vick has changed. True change comes from WITHIN, not court ordered. Not PR crap Romulox Oct 2012 #103

And you have proof he didn't? LynneSin Oct 2012 #106

All the murdered/mutilated/tortured dogs. Those are the best "proof" as to his character. Romulox Oct 2012 #109

I'm asking about today, now that he has served his time LynneSin Oct 2012 #113

You're not "asking" about anything--you're castigating people who disagree with you. You don't have Romulox Oct 2012 #115

Why shouldn't I since castigating seems to be an Olympic sport here at DU LynneSin Oct 2012 #125

Because your values are no more valid than anybody else's. You have ZERO moral authority to scold. Romulox Oct 2012 #126

You should hold up the mirror LynneSin Oct 2012 #132

Nonsense. YOU were telling people to "hang their head in shame" before I even got here. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #133

You have no idea that he hasn't, though--unless you're in his pocket. MADem Oct 2012 #219

That's a good point treestar Oct 2012 #134

How the fuck can you compare those? Union Scribe Oct 2012 #149

I'll "hang my head in shame" pecwae Oct 2012 #184

Animal abusers are right up there w/ child molesters in my book ceile Oct 2012 #21

You and me both TorchTheWitch Oct 2012 #215

I thought he's had a dog for some time, now. A little dog. MADem Oct 2012 #22

This is ridiculous...Vick paid his dues.. HipChick Oct 2012 #23

Perhaps his daughter owns a dog, and the biscuits are hers. nt SDjack Oct 2012 #40

Vick's ban was only for 3 years LynneSin Oct 2012 #67

I think he has figured out the dog thing. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #27

Now that is a good reason to start an Anti-Vick thread LynneSin Oct 2012 #30

They picked a kid in the draft that looks pretty good Missycim Oct 2012 #45

That's pretty much how Cunningham and McNabb got their starts LynneSin Oct 2012 #46

no this QB is not a athletic QB's that Cunningham and McNabb were. Missycim Oct 2012 #47

I wanted this kid to start so bad Missycim Oct 2012 #49

Exactly. Interceptions, fumbles, sacks. BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #33

FIgured out a better way to hang them? Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #82

Well, he sure hangs the long ball. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #221

No kidding!!! JoePhilly Oct 2012 #96

The steelers don't have 6 rings for no reason. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #170

Yeah, and it only took him pecwae Oct 2012 #187

Its his own business quinnox Oct 2012 #37

+1 Go Vols Oct 2012 #70

our culture has a habit that punishment, like diamonds, should be forever. NuttyFluffers Oct 2012 #43

He already paid his debt with prison time, give him a chance! ArnoldLayne Oct 2012 #44

Honestly I don't even care if they give Vick a chance LynneSin Oct 2012 #48

Just as an FYI - Legally Michael Vick is allowed to adopt a dog LynneSin Oct 2012 #50

Hr paid his dues with jail time. Move on. CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #52

Those poor dogs can't 'Move on'. navarth Oct 2012 #57

+100000000. Tiger's don't change thier stripes. n/t Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #83

So I assume that when a 13-year-old murders his grandparents CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #97

There was more than simple loss of life involved here navarth Oct 2012 #166

So, does the fact that you can't spell "their" mean that you will always be ignorant? 11 Bravo Oct 2012 #192

There is nothing automatically redemptive about serving time. Union Scribe Oct 2012 #150

But that's what we demanded of him for his crime, and he did it. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #201

Arguing about whether Michael Vick can have a dog is a waste of time. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #202

It is disgusting. If he were a child abuser, we would not let him near children. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #55

What I want to know is who gave him the dog. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #60

Anyone know what kind of dog? Hopefully not a pit bull JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #61

He should still be in prison. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #62

At the time Vick received what was the maximum sentence available LynneSin Oct 2012 #66

Stop apologizing for that asshole. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #129

Not apologizing - just pointing out the facts LynneSin Oct 2012 #130

He could have faced federal charges and didn't. He should still be locked up. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #136

He should have faced RICO charges in addition. flvegan Oct 2012 #194

It's funny that don't we have the same outrage over these war criminals.. HipChick Oct 2012 #68

A bit of a strawman argument, don't you think? I mean, this place went apeshit (me included) bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #86

I hope the dog bites him. Stinky The Clown Oct 2012 #69

Vick was an arrogant prick long before this dogs issue DinahMoeHum Oct 2012 #71

Michael Vick has done a lot of good things since he returned to the NFL tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #72

Welcome, clueless. flvegan Oct 2012 #200

Wonder if that Texas "mother" libodem Oct 2012 #73

She did LynneSin Oct 2012 #79

I don't worry about Mike Vick and fear that he will not take care of his children's mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #74

Don't worry. My dogs are next to me roody Oct 2012 #212

And murderer apologists are chiming in! joeybee12 Oct 2012 #76

Really? LynneSin Oct 2012 #84

If he had tortured children to death magical thyme Oct 2012 #87

Agreed...some needs to post photos of what exactly Vick did... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #168

Yeah, but does he eat at the Olive Garden? progressoid Oct 2012 #80

I disdain greatly what he did, and i do not trust him. I doubt he will do it again , but ... hrmjustin Oct 2012 #90

It's like Jerry Sandusky being allowed to work with children again... nt Romulox Oct 2012 #91

Did you just equate child rape with dog fighting? JoePhilly Oct 2012 #98

Sure did. Both men are sociopaths, imo. I don't care what Vick has done on camera to make money. Romulox Oct 2012 #100

not just murdered--cruely and visciously tortured Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #102

I 100% agree hrmjustin Oct 2012 #135

I do too. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #137

Cool ... just checking. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #117

That's a serious point there. The Sanduskys are still claiming they are innocent LynneSin Oct 2012 #104

Similarly, Jerry Sandusky (like many abusers) may have been abused himself. Give him a break! nt Romulox Oct 2012 #116

You equated Sandusky with Vick ... not the other way around. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #120

Nonsense. I have a different value system than you (apparently.) Yours isn't more valid Romulox Oct 2012 #121

You were the one suggesting that by not equating the two, others were "giving Sandusky a break". JoePhilly Oct 2012 #127

I'm not "suggesting" a damn thing--I am DIRECTLY STATING that I find both men equally reprehensible. Romulox Oct 2012 #131

You started the game by equating the two. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #146

It's not a game; I find them EQUALLY REPULSIVE. You're not "catching" me in any inconsistency. Romulox Oct 2012 #158

I suppose different people have different reactions to how different crimes strike them viscerally Douglas Carpenter Oct 2012 #107

Should Michael's daughter be punished for her father's failings? tokenlib Oct 2012 #110

It is not about redemption. It is about safety. Felons do not get to possess guns Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #119

So murderers of human beings DO NOT get to interact with any more human beings, correct? CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #156

No...that is a superficial interpretation of my point Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #162

My question is why does Michael Vick even want a dog? It can't be because he loves dogs, a person smokey nj Oct 2012 #186

I know a kid who has to take the bus because his mom lost her license for DUIs. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #138

I just think he should be treated the way his dogs were Myrina Oct 2012 #118

I wouldn't put it past Philadephia's sports fans to do that. JVS Oct 2012 #177

I'm an unyielding hardass on this: He should never be allowed near an animal again. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #124

Wow, just wow LynneSin Oct 2012 #128

You're fighting the good fight, but CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #141

I'm not selective nor inconsistent. My compassion is for the animals. Period. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #142

THere's alot of emotions in a topic such as this LynneSin Oct 2012 #143

Agreed. Minds aren't going to change on this, no matter how many times the topic arises. -nt CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #153

it is not about compassion for offenders. It is not about continued punishment Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #169

I remain unapologetic and firm in my resolve. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #144

Oh I'm sorry, i'm just to sit back and take it from everyone else LynneSin Oct 2012 #145

Who accosted who here? Get that part straight. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #147

You wouldn't be "taking" anything if you weren't lecturing everyone. nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #151

I don't see Lynn lecturing anybody mythology Oct 2012 #209

You make me laugh. flvegan Oct 2012 #196

So I agree this topic generates lots of anger. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #161

Well to be fair -- AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #165

Has a "rehabilitation gene" been isolated? Is there any evidence for your belief or is it just... JVS Oct 2012 #175

-- AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #178

You didn't answer it. I'll put it more bluntly: what gene is responsible for rehabilitation? JVS Oct 2012 #181

QxQ: Did you miss something? AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #182

I absolutely agree. pecwae Oct 2012 #185

Sorry, no forgiveness here. I've worked too long in pit rescue to forgive these people MadHound Oct 2012 #152

Amen. n/t easttexaslefty Oct 2012 #164

I am a dog and cat owner and love them dearly. Now I don't know about football much these southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #157

Is his name Seamus? KamaAina Oct 2012 #160

Is there every a time when people forgive? donheld Oct 2012 #173

"Forgive?" He hasn't taken responsibility. Not ONCE. yewberry Oct 2012 #174

Fuck him and Pete Rose! JVS Oct 2012 #176

How specifically should they? flvegan Oct 2012 #195

I agree!!!!! nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #190

i don't care if he has changed or not Scout Oct 2012 #198

He should have been barred for life from owning any animal Omaha Steve Oct 2012 #213

He will be redeemed when he gives roody Oct 2012 #214

No he won't. flvegan Oct 2012 #216