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In reply to the discussion: Yo, brother Carville? Ain't no such thing as "too woke." [View all]
intheflow
(28,442 posts)28. And that's the problem with America in a nutshell.
Instead of confronting our unequal, anti-BIPOC past, we change up the narrative and make the discussion not about the problem, but the people who bring the problem to light. People who bring up a problem are not the problem.
You point is a kind of quid pro quo: Woke people agree to shut up and be gaslit so you can get a more liberal government. Seriously, what the fuck? How about more robust defense of Black people 100% legit grievances. Maybe if the chorus was shouting that, it would drown out the lies that would lead to your supposition of losing seats, AND empower more people of color to GOTV. That would be a quid pro quo I could get behind.
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They do have the numbers in the states and that is a problem. While those of us on this board are
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#21
I agree with your assessment of winning back states. We don't do that with internal squabbling.
ancianita
Apr 2021
#25
Sure gerrymandering is a fact of life. But South Carolina and other states are red period at the
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#26
Carville is just plain scared if you ask me as I am. I live in Ohio. Now despite what you hear there
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#188
I actually agree with you on Walker, especially if Manchin and Sinema block all or most of
Celerity
Apr 2021
#191
Great post. As I recall the same thing happened to the LGTBQ+ community during the fight for
PunkinPi
Apr 2021
#85
Wrong, be a melee mouth democrat who allows republican framing will lose us the house in 22
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#41
Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#102
Need a poll on how it affected votes for down ballot candidates. P.S. There arent any cause it didnt
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#103
GOP Launches Ads Highlighting 'Defund The Police' To Target Vulnerable 2022 Dems
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#105
Since when are GOP attacks on something we do or say the basis for not doing or saying it
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#113
Do you tire of being wrong? Have you ever worked on a campaign in the real world?
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#136
Soooooooooo yeah, she would be the 'few' in the 'few to no one' like I stated in my post
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#170
Only if you use the racist definition of the word, if you use the black appropriated definition of
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#43
Woke ain't about Jesus level foreign policy talk. Woke is setting America's house straight first.
ancianita
Apr 2021
#17
No, you either support human rights or you dont. Regardless of WHERE the humans are.
oldsoftie
Apr 2021
#83
Doing the right thing for the wrong reason, whether it's corporate "wokeness" or voting, doesn't
ancianita
Apr 2021
#92
"Shhh ... you're making too much noise about your rights. You're getting in the way."
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#63
Yup, most of his comments are about how to kick Republicans in the nuts
BeyondGeography
Apr 2021
#66
And yet most of those commenting here are agreeing with and doubling down on his "woke" comment
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#67
How to read his whole interview is a fair party point. But that isn't the takeaway
ancianita
Apr 2021
#74
Do you really think an itty bitty Carville interview has this kind of impact?
BeyondGeography
Apr 2021
#77
I classify "defund the police" in the same group as "democratic socialsm".....
brooklynite
Apr 2021
#36
Can't believe 'defund', after all the polls and election results, is still being hung out
empedocles
Apr 2021
#60
I was talking about your misspelling of socialism then referring to the dictionary.
JanMichael
Apr 2021
#152
Cool. I saw Latinos on MSNBC say just the opposite. Has there been any formal polling?
ancianita
Apr 2021
#35
Of course I do. You don't want to, apparently. You gotta run? What's that about, huh?
ancianita
Apr 2021
#61
Yeah, if a democrat 04JohnKerry's something they never ran on they lose and they'll lose again
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#51
If you're having private one on one meetings with DCCC chairs you're probably not immediately impact
AZProgressive
Apr 2021
#173
Carville may have phased it wrong but in the end that is how Repugs win Congress...
Jon King
Apr 2021
#44
Yes. So if he wants to do some good, he needs to attack how Repugs talk. Not us.
ancianita
Apr 2021
#50
THIS !! 👉🏾 "admit to the kernel of racism that still exists within the party"
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#62
The message was framed by their fellow Democrats. Having to campaign against their republican....
George II
Apr 2021
#118
I am truly offended by posters attacking real democrats who are running campaigns in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#137
Then it bad campaigning to allow an opponent to frame a candidate with something they're not
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#172
He could do that by talking directly to candidates and campaigns, rather than publicly castigating
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#131
You're describing a melee mouth candidate and yeah, we lose if we run people with no conviction
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#52
I read the whole interview and even in context, his comment about "wokeness" is ridiculous
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#76
no he's not, he's not even close. In groups usually try to deflect issue on outgroups with silliness
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#135
Again, you are refusing to tell us if you have worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#139
Continuing to post the same things over and over again, doesn't make it effective.
Caliman73
Apr 2021
#141
When I want an old White man's opinion of how people of color talk about race, I will ask for it.
Caliman73
Apr 2021
#144
How many races have you won? Have you worked on a race in the real world?
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#151
Woke is consciousness of America's actual history of racism, sexism, pollution, and voting rights.
Marcuse
Apr 2021
#155
Awesome. And Blacks were woke long before this, even. Before the colonial period.
ancianita
Apr 2021
#157
+1, people on DU saying we can be too conscious of these things are crazy !!!
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#171
You know there's a whole thread of black people like me who says white people shouldn't
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#182
Do you have those non existent polls yet or are you going to keep doing this? No really I asked
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#184
Your lack of understanding as to how campaigns work in the real world is truly sad but amusing
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2021
#185
Attacking good members of the Democratic party for losing in 2020 is not a good look
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#195
All that is still not empirical data, come on. It sounds like no amount of objective information is
uponit7771
May 2021
#196
It is so sad that people are defending that ignorant defund the police slogan
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#192
And if we have no response to it then we are campaigning poorly, this time you they can't blame
uponit7771
May 2021
#194
