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ancianita

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32. Here we go.

Wed Apr 28, 2021, 07:57 AM

Apr 2021

That's exactly why we have to stop this anti-woke stupidity about the meaning of woke.
We have known from the beginning what "defund" means. We failed to nip that stupidity in the bud back then. So we weren't perfect in messaging. That doesn't make the word "too woke." As it now stands, the more that police murders say about the funding of qualified immunity abuse, the more vindicated by facts and truth defund is.

The politics you describe are anti-woke. The realities we face mean that we don't need to muddy our understanding of who we are with right wing lingo.
I refuse to play the politics of what Democrats are called. I only play the politics of of what Democrats answer to.

No Democrats should line up with Carville criticisms of the party. He hasn't served us well in twenty years and certainly didn't serve us well in the Obama years.

https://newrepublic.com/article/156523/obsolete-politics-james-carville

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Yo, brother Carville? Ain't no such thing as "too woke." [View all] ancianita Apr 2021 OP

Actually he is probably right Hawker123 Apr 2021 #1

He's not right. "Woke" isn't about the issues you raise. ancianita Apr 2021 #2

So that's why we lost seats we should have won. Hawker123 Apr 2021 #11

We lost seats because ChrisF1961 Apr 2021 #13

74 million to 81+ million is proof that they don't have the numbers. ancianita Apr 2021 #16

They do have the numbers in the states and that is a problem. While those of us on this board are Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #21

I agree with your assessment of winning back states. We don't do that with internal squabbling. ancianita Apr 2021 #25

Sure gerrymandering is a fact of life. But South Carolina and other states are red period at the Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #26

I hear you. ancianita Apr 2021 #27

Carville is just plain scared if you ask me as I am. I live in Ohio. Now despite what you hear there Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #188

"Hershel Walker will give Sen. Warnock a run for his money." BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 #31

"Hershel Walker will give Sen. Warnock a run for his money". appmanga Apr 2021 #57

No living human is dumber than Tommy Tubberville Boydog Apr 2021 #81

Herschel Walker? LOLOLOLOL!!!! CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #177

Georgia loves football...he could win. Don't kid yourself. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #187

if he wins there is nothing we can do to win. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #189

I actually agree with you on Walker, especially if Manchin and Sinema block all or most of Celerity Apr 2021 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #178

Agreed ChrisF1961 Apr 2021 #34

Kanye got more votes than Herschel will. Marcuse Apr 2021 #156

And that's the problem with America in a nutshell. intheflow Apr 2021 #28

This gets my vote for the best post of the month StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #53

Well said, thank you. mountain grammy Apr 2021 #75

++Thank you luckone Apr 2021 #79

Great post. As I recall the same thing happened to the LGTBQ+ community during the fight for PunkinPi Apr 2021 #85

Hell yes to all of this. Withywindle Apr 2021 #159

Wrong, be a melee mouth democrat who allows republican framing will lose us the house in 22 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #41

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #91

Got any polls to back up your claim? thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #94

Here are some real world results that show that your claims are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #95

No polls, just claims ... got any polls? thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #96

Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #102

Need a poll on how it affected votes for down ballot candidates. P.S. There arent any cause it didnt uponit7771 Apr 2021 #103

GOP Launches Ads Highlighting 'Defund The Police' To Target Vulnerable 2022 Dems LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #105

Since when are GOP attacks on something we do or say the basis for not doing or saying it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #113

The ads that I saw in 2020 quoted prominent Democratic progressives LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #122

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #140

You got those polls on how dtp affected voting? no ... k, tired of asking uponit7771 Apr 2021 #146

LOL LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #148

You have provided more than enough proof that defund cost us.. caber09 Apr 2021 #167

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #201

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #202

Rep. Clyburn says the same. Treefrog Apr 2021 #123

Says, need a poll .. I respect him but don't think he's right uponit7771 Apr 2021 #124

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #127

still not a poll on effects of dtp uponit7771 Apr 2021 #134

Do you tire of being wrong? Have you ever worked on a campaign in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #136

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #200

RtX2! I Want to WIN! TY Cha Apr 2021 #161

All the reasons Democrats say they did poorly down ballot LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #108

Rt Again.. Why is this so Cha Apr 2021 #162

Pres Obama said "Defund the Police" is a bad Slogan.. Cha Apr 2021 #163

If we run on "defund the police" again, we will lose the House LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #90

***FALSE ON ITS FACE FEW TO NO ONE RAN ON DEFUND THE POLICE*** uponit7771 Apr 2021 #93

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #106

Please stop lying aoc "defund means defund" caber09 Apr 2021 #166

Soooooooooo yeah, she would be the 'few' in the 'few to no one' like I stated in my post uponit7771 Apr 2021 #170

And dragged us all down with it it, great job, the Rs are thankful for that caber09 Apr 2021 #174

Please stop lying aoc was all about defund along with others.. caber09 Apr 2021 #168

Wrong. Do better. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #176

You definitely can be too woke Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #3

uh, I don't think so... electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #4

I don't care that you don't think so Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #22

why do you... electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #47

. DiamondShark Apr 2021 #126

No, you can't be StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #7

Yeah you can Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #23

Dupe StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #8

Only if you use the racist definition of the word, if you use the black appropriated definition of uponit7771 Apr 2021 #43

+1 BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #116

He's right FBaggins Apr 2021 #5

Nope. ancianita Apr 2021 #6

It's not just limited to the right wing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #9

Totally agree. It's exactly why I posted this. ancianita Apr 2021 #12

Great point. Good examples; Corporations, sports leagues & athletes. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #15

Woke ain't about Jesus level foreign policy talk. Woke is setting America's house straight first. ancianita Apr 2021 #17

No, you either support human rights or you dont. Regardless of WHERE the humans are. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #83

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason, whether it's corporate "wokeness" or voting, doesn't ancianita Apr 2021 #92

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #55

You're wrong uponit7771 Apr 2021 #45

"Shhh ... you're making too much noise about your rights. You're getting in the way." StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #63

Thank you for this post StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #10

Thanks for your thoughts, as well ancianita Apr 2021 #14

"People who don't agree with me must be re-educated" Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #24

What took you so long? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #29

... ancianita Apr 2021 #37

That looks like a personal attack Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #82

He would push us back to the nineties if he could. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #18

Amen. ancianita Apr 2021 #19

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #49

Read past the headline... zaj Apr 2021 #20

Thank you. More to the article than "wokeness' RussBLib Apr 2021 #38

Yup, most of his comments are about how to kick Republicans in the nuts BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #66

And yet most of those commenting here are agreeing with and doubling down on his "woke" comment StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #67

A colossal waste of time BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #71

Actually, Obama DIDN'T say the same thing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #72

How to read his whole interview is a fair party point. But that isn't the takeaway ancianita Apr 2021 #74

Do you really think an itty bitty Carville interview has this kind of impact? BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #77

Hopefully not. I'm pointing out something he's unaware of. ancianita Apr 2021 #80

"Defund the Police" is too woke... brooklynite Apr 2021 #30

Here we go. ancianita Apr 2021 #32

I classify "defund the police" in the same group as "democratic socialsm"..... brooklynite Apr 2021 #36

I don't. ancianita Apr 2021 #46

Those are SLOGANS made up of WORDS. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #48

Can't believe 'defund', after all the polls and election results, is still being hung out empedocles Apr 2021 #60

"defund" has absolutely nothing to do with being "woke." StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #64

Careful definitions, explanations, etc., such as 'woke', 'defund', can empedocles Apr 2021 #86

"Woke" has been around for nearly 60 years StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #88

I understand the position - particularly as an experienced General Counsel empedocles Apr 2021 #97

Your dictionary might be useful for you: "socialsm"? nt JanMichael Apr 2021 #133

SOCIALISM (noun): brooklynite Apr 2021 #142

I was talking about your misspelling of socialism then referring to the dictionary. JanMichael Apr 2021 #152

98% of Latinos do not use the term "Latinx" and prefer "Hispanic janterry Apr 2021 #33

Cool. I saw Latinos on MSNBC say just the opposite. Has there been any formal polling? ancianita Apr 2021 #35

Yes, there have been multiple polls janterry Apr 2021 #39

Then why not post them and prove your claim. Seriously. ancianita Apr 2021 #58

you don't use google? janterry Apr 2021 #59

Of course I do. You don't want to, apparently. You gotta run? What's that about, huh? ancianita Apr 2021 #61

LOL janterry Apr 2021 #119

Here you go: 65-98% dont identify with that term oldsoftie Apr 2021 #125

Yeah, if a democrat 04JohnKerry's something they never ran on they lose and they'll lose again uponit7771 Apr 2021 #51

If you're having private one on one meetings with DCCC chairs you're probably not immediately impact AZProgressive Apr 2021 #173

K&R, he's accepted republican framing and we lose every time we do that. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40

Carville may have phased it wrong but in the end that is how Repugs win Congress... Jon King Apr 2021 #44

Yes. So if he wants to do some good, he needs to attack how Repugs talk. Not us. ancianita Apr 2021 #50

Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #54

The way I see it... FalloutShelter Apr 2021 #56

THIS !! 👉🏾 "admit to the kernel of racism that still exists within the party" uponit7771 Apr 2021 #62

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #110

Carvel is wrong because that was few to no one's message !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #112

Carville is right and you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #114

Precisely. Thanks! George II Apr 2021 #117

The message was framed by their fellow Democrats. Having to campaign against their republican.... George II Apr 2021 #118

I am truly offended by posters attacking real democrats who are running campaigns in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #137

Then it bad campaigning to allow an opponent to frame a candidate with something they're not uponit7771 Apr 2021 #172

Beautifully said! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #65

No... brooklynite Apr 2021 #69

He could do that by talking directly to candidates and campaigns, rather than publicly castigating StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #131

You're describing a melee mouth candidate and yeah, we lose if we run people with no conviction uponit7771 Apr 2021 #52

This, exactly peggysue2 Apr 2021 #99

Wow... Obviously enough haven't read the whole interview Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #68

Thanks, the entire interview was needed for context. Jon King Apr 2021 #70

I read the whole interview and even in context, his comment about "wokeness" is ridiculous StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #76

Fine. But this thread is about a blurt that can spiral into public debate. ancianita Apr 2021 #78

Being too "woke" is not the problem. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #73

I hear you. ancianita Apr 2021 #87

Being Privileged is always precarious. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #101

Yep. ancianita Apr 2021 #104

I basically agree. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #153

+1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #132

K&R PunkinPi Apr 2021 #84

I agree with Carville LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #89

Duly noted. You like Diazhub, right wing corporate twitter account? ancianita Apr 2021 #100

Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #107

Letter from Birmingham Jail is a must-read American classic. ancianita Apr 2021 #109

James, you're talking in your sleep again. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #98

Perhaps you're right on this Polybius Apr 2021 #111

Can you define cancel culture? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #130

Sure, I'll name some examples of what I think cancel culture is Polybius Apr 2021 #165

Which examples do you agree with, and why? JonAndKatePlusABird Apr 2021 #175

Examples help to define but they do not define. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #181

In politics the only thing that matters is winning. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #115

Actually, that's not true. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #121

So if Democrats cheat and lie like Republicans do, that is okay? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #129

Yes. As long as no laws are broken. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #190

He is mostly right. nt LexVegas Apr 2021 #120

no he's not, he's not even close. In groups usually try to deflect issue on outgroups with silliness uponit7771 Apr 2021 #135

Again, you are refusing to tell us if you have worked on a campaign in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #139

If Carville were honest, this is what he would say. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #128

I really do not want to lose the House or the Senate in 2022 LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #138

Continuing to post the same things over and over again, doesn't make it effective. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #141

Democrats Need to Talk Differently About Race LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #143

When I want an old White man's opinion of how people of color talk about race, I will ask for it. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #144

How many races have you won? Have you worked on a race in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #151

Wow, this response is way way off topic. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #154

Rev Al agrees with Carville LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #179

Wow,.. I don't think he was trying to tell you what to tbink Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #164

thanks for articulating this so well. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #145

... ancianita Apr 2021 #147

I only ever see "woke" ibegurpard Apr 2021 #149

It just goes to show ancianita Apr 2021 #150

Woke is consciousness of America's actual history of racism, sexism, pollution, and voting rights. Marcuse Apr 2021 #155

Awesome. And Blacks were woke long before this, even. Before the colonial period. ancianita Apr 2021 #157

+1, people on DU saying we can be too conscious of these things are crazy !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #171

You are still wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #180

You know there's a whole thread of black people like me who says white people shouldn't uponit7771 Apr 2021 #182

Your claims about defund the police are simply false LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #183

Do you have those non existent polls yet or are you going to keep doing this? No really I asked uponit7771 Apr 2021 #184

Your lack of understanding as to how campaigns work in the real world is truly sad but amusing LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #185

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #199

You've got no empirical data and You're stalking and it doesn't look good uponit7771 May 2021 #193

Attacking good members of the Democratic party for losing in 2020 is not a good look LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #195

All that is still not empirical data, come on. It sounds like no amount of objective information is uponit7771 May 2021 #196

President Obama and President Biden are correct and you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #197

It is so sad that people are defending that ignorant defund the police slogan LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #192

And if we have no response to it then we are campaigning poorly, this time you they can't blame uponit7771 May 2021 #194

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #198

Ahhhh... nope! This post didn't go well for you. USALiberal Apr 2021 #158

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Oh, there is Sympthsical Apr 2021 #169

I hear you and would add ancianita Apr 2021 #186