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60. Can't believe 'defund', after all the polls and election results, is still being hung out

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Wed Apr 28, 2021, 08:51 AM

Apr 2021

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Yo, brother Carville? Ain't no such thing as "too woke." [View all] ancianita Apr 2021 OP

Actually he is probably right Hawker123 Apr 2021 #1

He's not right. "Woke" isn't about the issues you raise. ancianita Apr 2021 #2

So that's why we lost seats we should have won. Hawker123 Apr 2021 #11

We lost seats because ChrisF1961 Apr 2021 #13

74 million to 81+ million is proof that they don't have the numbers. ancianita Apr 2021 #16

They do have the numbers in the states and that is a problem. While those of us on this board are Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #21

I agree with your assessment of winning back states. We don't do that with internal squabbling. ancianita Apr 2021 #25

Sure gerrymandering is a fact of life. But South Carolina and other states are red period at the Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #26

I hear you. ancianita Apr 2021 #27

Carville is just plain scared if you ask me as I am. I live in Ohio. Now despite what you hear there Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #188

"Hershel Walker will give Sen. Warnock a run for his money." BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 #31

"Hershel Walker will give Sen. Warnock a run for his money". appmanga Apr 2021 #57

No living human is dumber than Tommy Tubberville Boydog Apr 2021 #81

Herschel Walker? LOLOLOLOL!!!! CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #177

Georgia loves football...he could win. Don't kid yourself. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #187

if he wins there is nothing we can do to win. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #189

I actually agree with you on Walker, especially if Manchin and Sinema block all or most of Celerity Apr 2021 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #178

Agreed ChrisF1961 Apr 2021 #34

Kanye got more votes than Herschel will. Marcuse Apr 2021 #156

And that's the problem with America in a nutshell. intheflow Apr 2021 #28

This gets my vote for the best post of the month StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #53

Well said, thank you. mountain grammy Apr 2021 #75

++Thank you luckone Apr 2021 #79

Great post. As I recall the same thing happened to the LGTBQ+ community during the fight for PunkinPi Apr 2021 #85

Hell yes to all of this. Withywindle Apr 2021 #159

Wrong, be a melee mouth democrat who allows republican framing will lose us the house in 22 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #41

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #91

Got any polls to back up your claim? thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #94

Here are some real world results that show that your claims are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #95

No polls, just claims ... got any polls? thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #96

Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #102

Need a poll on how it affected votes for down ballot candidates. P.S. There arent any cause it didnt uponit7771 Apr 2021 #103

GOP Launches Ads Highlighting 'Defund The Police' To Target Vulnerable 2022 Dems LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #105

Since when are GOP attacks on something we do or say the basis for not doing or saying it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #113

The ads that I saw in 2020 quoted prominent Democratic progressives LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #122

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #140

You got those polls on how dtp affected voting? no ... k, tired of asking uponit7771 Apr 2021 #146

LOL LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #148

You have provided more than enough proof that defund cost us.. caber09 Apr 2021 #167

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #201

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #202

Rep. Clyburn says the same. Treefrog Apr 2021 #123

Says, need a poll .. I respect him but don't think he's right uponit7771 Apr 2021 #124

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #127

still not a poll on effects of dtp uponit7771 Apr 2021 #134

Do you tire of being wrong? Have you ever worked on a campaign in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #136

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #200

RtX2! I Want to WIN! TY Cha Apr 2021 #161

All the reasons Democrats say they did poorly down ballot LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #108

Rt Again.. Why is this so Cha Apr 2021 #162

Pres Obama said "Defund the Police" is a bad Slogan.. Cha Apr 2021 #163

If we run on "defund the police" again, we will lose the House LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #90

***FALSE ON ITS FACE FEW TO NO ONE RAN ON DEFUND THE POLICE*** uponit7771 Apr 2021 #93

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #106

Please stop lying aoc "defund means defund" caber09 Apr 2021 #166

Soooooooooo yeah, she would be the 'few' in the 'few to no one' like I stated in my post uponit7771 Apr 2021 #170

And dragged us all down with it it, great job, the Rs are thankful for that caber09 Apr 2021 #174

Please stop lying aoc was all about defund along with others.. caber09 Apr 2021 #168

Wrong. Do better. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #176

You definitely can be too woke Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #3

uh, I don't think so... electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #4

I don't care that you don't think so Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #22

why do you... electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #47

. DiamondShark Apr 2021 #126

No, you can't be StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #7

Yeah you can Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #23

Dupe StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #8

Only if you use the racist definition of the word, if you use the black appropriated definition of uponit7771 Apr 2021 #43

+1 BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #116

He's right FBaggins Apr 2021 #5

Nope. ancianita Apr 2021 #6

It's not just limited to the right wing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #9

Totally agree. It's exactly why I posted this. ancianita Apr 2021 #12

Great point. Good examples; Corporations, sports leagues & athletes. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #15

Woke ain't about Jesus level foreign policy talk. Woke is setting America's house straight first. ancianita Apr 2021 #17

No, you either support human rights or you dont. Regardless of WHERE the humans are. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #83

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason, whether it's corporate "wokeness" or voting, doesn't ancianita Apr 2021 #92

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #55

You're wrong uponit7771 Apr 2021 #45

"Shhh ... you're making too much noise about your rights. You're getting in the way." StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #63

Thank you for this post StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #10

Thanks for your thoughts, as well ancianita Apr 2021 #14

"People who don't agree with me must be re-educated" Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #24

What took you so long? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #29

... ancianita Apr 2021 #37

That looks like a personal attack Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #82

He would push us back to the nineties if he could. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #18

Amen. ancianita Apr 2021 #19

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #49

Read past the headline... zaj Apr 2021 #20

Thank you. More to the article than "wokeness' RussBLib Apr 2021 #38

Yup, most of his comments are about how to kick Republicans in the nuts BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #66

And yet most of those commenting here are agreeing with and doubling down on his "woke" comment StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #67

A colossal waste of time BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #71

Actually, Obama DIDN'T say the same thing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #72

How to read his whole interview is a fair party point. But that isn't the takeaway ancianita Apr 2021 #74

Do you really think an itty bitty Carville interview has this kind of impact? BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #77

Hopefully not. I'm pointing out something he's unaware of. ancianita Apr 2021 #80

"Defund the Police" is too woke... brooklynite Apr 2021 #30

Here we go. ancianita Apr 2021 #32

I classify "defund the police" in the same group as "democratic socialsm"..... brooklynite Apr 2021 #36

I don't. ancianita Apr 2021 #46

Those are SLOGANS made up of WORDS. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #48

Can't believe 'defund', after all the polls and election results, is still being hung out empedocles Apr 2021 #60

"defund" has absolutely nothing to do with being "woke." StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #64

Careful definitions, explanations, etc., such as 'woke', 'defund', can empedocles Apr 2021 #86

"Woke" has been around for nearly 60 years StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #88

I understand the position - particularly as an experienced General Counsel empedocles Apr 2021 #97

Your dictionary might be useful for you: "socialsm"? nt JanMichael Apr 2021 #133

SOCIALISM (noun): brooklynite Apr 2021 #142

I was talking about your misspelling of socialism then referring to the dictionary. JanMichael Apr 2021 #152

98% of Latinos do not use the term "Latinx" and prefer "Hispanic janterry Apr 2021 #33

Cool. I saw Latinos on MSNBC say just the opposite. Has there been any formal polling? ancianita Apr 2021 #35

Yes, there have been multiple polls janterry Apr 2021 #39

Then why not post them and prove your claim. Seriously. ancianita Apr 2021 #58

you don't use google? janterry Apr 2021 #59

Of course I do. You don't want to, apparently. You gotta run? What's that about, huh? ancianita Apr 2021 #61

LOL janterry Apr 2021 #119

Here you go: 65-98% dont identify with that term oldsoftie Apr 2021 #125

Yeah, if a democrat 04JohnKerry's something they never ran on they lose and they'll lose again uponit7771 Apr 2021 #51

If you're having private one on one meetings with DCCC chairs you're probably not immediately impact AZProgressive Apr 2021 #173

K&R, he's accepted republican framing and we lose every time we do that. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40

Carville may have phased it wrong but in the end that is how Repugs win Congress... Jon King Apr 2021 #44

Yes. So if he wants to do some good, he needs to attack how Repugs talk. Not us. ancianita Apr 2021 #50

Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #54

The way I see it... FalloutShelter Apr 2021 #56

THIS !! 👉🏾 "admit to the kernel of racism that still exists within the party" uponit7771 Apr 2021 #62

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #110

Carvel is wrong because that was few to no one's message !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #112

Carville is right and you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #114

Precisely. Thanks! George II Apr 2021 #117

The message was framed by their fellow Democrats. Having to campaign against their republican.... George II Apr 2021 #118

I am truly offended by posters attacking real democrats who are running campaigns in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #137

Then it bad campaigning to allow an opponent to frame a candidate with something they're not uponit7771 Apr 2021 #172

Beautifully said! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #65

No... brooklynite Apr 2021 #69

He could do that by talking directly to candidates and campaigns, rather than publicly castigating StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #131

You're describing a melee mouth candidate and yeah, we lose if we run people with no conviction uponit7771 Apr 2021 #52

This, exactly peggysue2 Apr 2021 #99

Wow... Obviously enough haven't read the whole interview Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #68

Thanks, the entire interview was needed for context. Jon King Apr 2021 #70

I read the whole interview and even in context, his comment about "wokeness" is ridiculous StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #76

Fine. But this thread is about a blurt that can spiral into public debate. ancianita Apr 2021 #78

Being too "woke" is not the problem. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #73

I hear you. ancianita Apr 2021 #87

Being Privileged is always precarious. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #101

Yep. ancianita Apr 2021 #104

I basically agree. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #153

+1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #132

K&R PunkinPi Apr 2021 #84

I agree with Carville LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #89

Duly noted. You like Diazhub, right wing corporate twitter account? ancianita Apr 2021 #100

Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #107

Letter from Birmingham Jail is a must-read American classic. ancianita Apr 2021 #109

James, you're talking in your sleep again. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #98

Perhaps you're right on this Polybius Apr 2021 #111

Can you define cancel culture? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #130

Sure, I'll name some examples of what I think cancel culture is Polybius Apr 2021 #165

Which examples do you agree with, and why? JonAndKatePlusABird Apr 2021 #175

Examples help to define but they do not define. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #181

In politics the only thing that matters is winning. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #115

Actually, that's not true. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #121

So if Democrats cheat and lie like Republicans do, that is okay? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #129

Yes. As long as no laws are broken. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #190

He is mostly right. nt LexVegas Apr 2021 #120

no he's not, he's not even close. In groups usually try to deflect issue on outgroups with silliness uponit7771 Apr 2021 #135

Again, you are refusing to tell us if you have worked on a campaign in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #139

If Carville were honest, this is what he would say. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #128

I really do not want to lose the House or the Senate in 2022 LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #138

Continuing to post the same things over and over again, doesn't make it effective. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #141

Democrats Need to Talk Differently About Race LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #143

When I want an old White man's opinion of how people of color talk about race, I will ask for it. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #144

How many races have you won? Have you worked on a race in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #151

Wow, this response is way way off topic. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #154

Rev Al agrees with Carville LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #179

Wow,.. I don't think he was trying to tell you what to tbink Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #164

thanks for articulating this so well. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #145

... ancianita Apr 2021 #147

I only ever see "woke" ibegurpard Apr 2021 #149

It just goes to show ancianita Apr 2021 #150

Woke is consciousness of America's actual history of racism, sexism, pollution, and voting rights. Marcuse Apr 2021 #155

Awesome. And Blacks were woke long before this, even. Before the colonial period. ancianita Apr 2021 #157

+1, people on DU saying we can be too conscious of these things are crazy !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #171

You are still wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #180

You know there's a whole thread of black people like me who says white people shouldn't uponit7771 Apr 2021 #182

Your claims about defund the police are simply false LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #183

Do you have those non existent polls yet or are you going to keep doing this? No really I asked uponit7771 Apr 2021 #184

Your lack of understanding as to how campaigns work in the real world is truly sad but amusing LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #185

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #199

You've got no empirical data and You're stalking and it doesn't look good uponit7771 May 2021 #193

Attacking good members of the Democratic party for losing in 2020 is not a good look LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #195

All that is still not empirical data, come on. It sounds like no amount of objective information is uponit7771 May 2021 #196

President Obama and President Biden are correct and you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #197

It is so sad that people are defending that ignorant defund the police slogan LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #192

And if we have no response to it then we are campaigning poorly, this time you they can't blame uponit7771 May 2021 #194

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #198

Ahhhh... nope! This post didn't go well for you. USALiberal Apr 2021 #158

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Oh, there is Sympthsical Apr 2021 #169

I hear you and would add ancianita Apr 2021 #186