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In reply to the discussion: James Carville is speaking the hard truth [View all]bigtree
(85,996 posts)95. it's insidious
...moderation is an impetus to essentially do less, to provide less, to aspire to less.
It doesn't take much imagination to suppose those folks advocating moderation already have what they need for their own health, safety, well-being, and recognition.
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I do agree with him that we need to change our language and messaging
USAFRetired_Liberal
Apr 2021
#3
I'd have to add that they don't really KNOW what we stand for; only what Fox propaganda
BComplex
Apr 2021
#34
If you feel there are no moderate voters (I or R) to appeal to, we should give up...
brooklynite
Apr 2021
#42
Every word. Carville nails it and is spot on. Exactly what Thomas Frank wrote in 2004 in his book
Ninga
Apr 2021
#6
James Carville's version of "It's the economy, stupid" had us jumping from one
Baitball Blogger
Apr 2021
#7
And when we lost in 2000 because for some reason...voting for a Democrat is hard for some
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#103
You know, you who are against the Woke phenomenon have a short memory.
Baitball Blogger
Apr 2021
#117
He took some heat for saying dems are too woke, but overall, he made some spot on observations, IMO.
CrispyQ
Apr 2021
#8
This argument about self-branding may already be obsolete. Recall Biden's speech last night.
Eyeball_Kid
Apr 2021
#26
We lost the Florida governorship last time by the slimmest of margins.
cinematicdiversions
Apr 2021
#84
How odd that you would bring up something that happened two years AFTER the election
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#89
+1, own our positions and attack republicans for not being American enough to accept them !!!
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#82
Yes we need to craft a message that is a winning message....defund the police was never going to
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#106
+1, "They also get their framing out their fast " & they have feedback thats even faster. They lurk
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#74
+1, people are bending over backwards to relate to Carville no matter how wrong he is ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#59
Could you show me any poll were dtp lost anyone any race? EarlG just responded in a post to this
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#78
+1, there are easier votes to get among the suppressed and disengaged than the middle. That doesn't
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#83
There is not need to advance the word 'woke' ....civil rights works for me.
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#108
Sorry, the people who really know and who are voting don't care to have their issues re-framed to
joetheman
Apr 2021
#16
And if they could win elections all by themselves...it wouldn't matter but the house was won by
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#110
We're not going to stop using a 100 yr term because unaware white people want us to, that's stupid.
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#22
Well if the term causes election losses...what have you gained? And it might. I hope not.
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#111
If you have polling proof, not just claims of people we respect, that a slogan was the reason ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#114
A 1990's truth...and have we made progress since then. Have we moved the country to the left?
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#112
Maybe you should educate yourself on what he said before complaining about
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#44
OMG!!1! Let's not frighten the scared old white people who'll never vote for us anyway!
Pinback
Apr 2021
#46
The 2022 Midterms should give us a good idea how the woke strategy is working for us and whether
jalan48
Apr 2021
#47
The difference between Republican messaging and Democratic messaging usually seems to be
Lonestarblue
Apr 2021
#48
If it's about vocabulary, he shouldn't be telling us to "abandon wokeness"
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#58
This term has been in use for more than 60 years and yes, there IS a common definition
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#70
SF school district renaming schools commemorating Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson
andym
Apr 2021
#67
False, this is an example of an ingroup (white people) taking the term of an outgroup (black..
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#79
Funny when Black and Brown people speak our minds and a white person is offended, we need to shut up
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#94
Can you be more divisive? That is very disrespectful to those who don't agree with you.
Demsrule86
Apr 2021
#115
I'm not sure I agree w Carville. I don't agree that we need to go for the white
FlyingPiggy
Apr 2021
#119
Why is that when Carville says something that offends lots of people - especially people of color
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#125