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Tigress DEM

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64. See, now I would say the TWO COUNTRIES are the Rich and the Poor.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:58 PM
Oct 2012

I believe the greedy rich have ignited this culture war between those who are into "pure science" and those who believe in "pure religion". Even Jesus said to give unto Cesar what is Cesar's and that we live in the world but are not "of" the world.

There were MANY civil conversations back to the time of the Greeks and early Christians even, so it isn't impossible. Many people have believed in God and understood the value of science over several thousand years so it isn't a "GIVEN" that we are so far apart. It's being pushed from the 1% down to create the next great schism and keep us busy while they rob US blind and take over the country.

A poor person who isn't TAUGHT science and only HAS religion is an easy target for such tactics. Which is why as a person of faith, I'm a DEM who fights for Science to be taught in schools and against the melding of Church and State.

I happen to be a Christian that straddles Science and Religion and know when one or the other is appropriate.

So for me, religion is my own spiritual thing, and science helps me understand the world I live in. Science can help me make better decisions in many respects, but in a few areas I feel a need to be and do more than pure science or humanism requires and in those times and places, it's my faith that gets me through.

Example my only problem with evolution is the missing link, but that is really more of a theoretical dilemma. Even if humans WERE put here by an intelligent being, it's obvious that we were created from the same substance as our fellow creatures and follow the same basic evolutionary rules that Darwin observed. I know that "IDA" is the latest find and there are possibilities there, but is it a true slam dunk? I'm still studying and waiting for more details before I make up my mind. Even a scientist is allowed to be skeptical, so why not a Christian?
http://blog.ted.com/2009/05/19/darwin_validate/

Ironically, I think if we can win this election, get our country back on track to prosperity and away from being governed by the religiously intolerant (and by that I mean the right-wing nuts that tolerate nothing other than their OWN religion) then we CAN have some successful conversations on abortion that begin with helping girls and women to not be forced into situations where they are faced with that choice. Having each side do the parts they are comfortable with to lessen abortions in general.

Abortion isn't a type of medical procedure that most women really want to have anyway. Birth control choices should be available way before it gets to that point. EMPOWERMENT of women to make those choices is STILL the ROLE of government and supporting people to heal in or prevent situations where abortion becomes the only option can be a joint effort of the Therapy and Religious communities.

I'm Pro-Choice, Pro-Birth Control and I'm Pro-Life and FOR ME that means LIFE is precious and needs to be respected AFTER a child is born as well. I understand that sometimes a difficult decision HAS to be made and only the people who have to LIVE with that decision have any true input.

It's MY hope that every child is a "wanted" child, but I've seen people keep children in tough situations and find ways to make that work. So a little bit of pressure from the Pro-Life side and the option of adoption thrown in there to me is part of the CHOICE.

Legislation to make as many women barefoot and pregnant is a step backward and against empowering US to have full civil rights and responsibilities.

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There hasn't been a rise Drale Oct 2012 #1
Oh, i must disagree with you. Hatchling Oct 2012 #121
Lee Atwater, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh. 'Nuff said. charlyvi Oct 2012 #2
Atwater for starters, nixon's fall madokie Oct 2012 #5
thank you. I was just thinking about watergate. niyad Oct 2012 #8
My apologies to you all but that is BS. cstanleytech Oct 2012 #24
There is a very thin line between civilization and barbarianism as a wise person RKP5637 Oct 2012 #52
Newt developed it into a science. Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #27
Two countries... Bigmack Oct 2012 #3
See, now I would say the TWO COUNTRIES are the Rich and the Poor. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #64
I wouldn't compare anti-science, anti intellectual Confusious Oct 2012 #77
Those we expect to stand for civility randr Oct 2012 #4
Do you think a lot of people mistake harsh free-for-all criticisms as "the only REAL free speech"? Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #66
Blowhard bullies only back down randr Oct 2012 #68
it has been going on for quite a while. I remember when Pat Schroeder decided to retire from niyad Oct 2012 #6
Bush, Disco, perceived anonymity, and our failure to adopt the Metric System slackmaster Oct 2012 #7
smokers of what? navarth Oct 2012 #83
Smokers of fatties slackmaster Oct 2012 #100
Nonsense. People are more 'civil' now than ever leftstreet Oct 2012 #9
Interesting post. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #69
Reagan made stupidity respectable. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #10
+ 1. I was discussing this very phenomenon with a friend last night. nt Zorra Oct 2012 #35
He gave people permission to be uncivil , to be not only ignorant, but to be proud of it. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #93
good question, Stinky grasswire Oct 2012 #11
I love those who wax nostaligic for all white, all straight 50's TV, produced by direct Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #39
You're absolutely right. MineralMan Oct 2012 #56
Why thank you, Mineral Man. Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #59
Well, there are a lot of us in Minnesota who are working on MineralMan Oct 2012 #90
And also, no air conditioning. MAYBE in movie theaters or drug stores, which is what I remember raccoon Oct 2012 #94
I don't think AC is in the same category MineralMan Oct 2012 #97
No, it isn't. But every time someone mentions the old days,that's one of the things I think of. nt raccoon Oct 2012 #99
There were many things that weren't so good in the 50s. MineralMan Oct 2012 #107
Good post grasswire. The media certainly has followed the trend toward 'coarseness' lumpy Oct 2012 #74
We are all being assaulted with stressors. porphyrian Oct 2012 #12
People are scared to death of the future and with good reason. raouldukelives Oct 2012 #17
Not necessarily as woo woo as it sounds... porphyrian Oct 2012 #36
+1000 We're being assaulted with stressors and that's part of a plan! LongTomH Oct 2012 #25
Indeed Harry_Scrote Oct 2012 #33
I wonder LiveNudePolitics Oct 2012 #13
Jumpin' Bill Carlisle used to tell a joke about 1 out of 3 people are ugly graham4anything Oct 2012 #14
One reason is anonymity and not knowing our neighbors and fellow citizens. For raccoon Oct 2012 #15
Paradoxically, the fall of Religion. randome Oct 2012 #16
Stress, Alienation, Tribalism, Etc. earthside Oct 2012 #18
For fairness' sake, MineralMan Oct 2012 #19
Good point. nt raccoon Oct 2012 #95
What rise.... whistler162 Oct 2012 #20
I think part of it can be contributed to increased use of electronic devices for Butterbean Oct 2012 #21
are you in England or France? :) aletier_v Oct 2012 #22
From the internet. former9thward Oct 2012 #23
stress from life, from recession, from working harder and earning less JackN415 Oct 2012 #26
I was raised in the 30s depression. People were struggling in every area, yet people lumpy Oct 2012 #80
you are right, there is a cultural shift there... JackN415 Oct 2012 #86
Oh Wow...books could be written about this... Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #28
Certainly could be a factor. lumpy Oct 2012 #78
I think it started with the "put down" that marked 1970s TV sitcoms KansDem Oct 2012 #29
The Beav as FAUST?! Gilbert as SATAN?! LOL! (Faust had no redemption.) Archie's racism and misogyny WinkyDink Oct 2012 #112
Of course! KansDem Oct 2012 #118
FOX "NEWS". OregonBlue Oct 2012 #30
Rancid hateful propaganda tabasco Oct 2012 #31
A Visit to Media Matters = Depression otohara Oct 2012 #62
So an addict deserves scorn? How are you different? rainanna 14 Oct 2012 #115
LOL! tabasco Oct 2012 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Oct 2012 #32
Drivers on cell phones have made it much more dangerous ...pisses me off. L0oniX Oct 2012 #34
There are likely many factors at play here. surrealAmerican Oct 2012 #37
It's the same as it ever was Generic Brad Oct 2012 #38
I don't agree with your notion that incivility is new or increasing.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #40
Wow. You're quite angry. And, it seems, angry with me. Stinky The Clown Oct 2012 #41
Get real, man. It was not civil when discrimination was the definition of America. Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #45
I wasn't arguing your point. I was noting your incivility. Stinky The Clown Oct 2012 #46
And I was noting yours. Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #51
So the fact that gays are tolerated now somehow disproves Stinky's point? Doctor_J Oct 2012 #43
Putting people in jail for existing is very uncivil. The US no longer allows that. Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #47
you don't know anything about Stinky's community, frankly grasswire Oct 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Puglover Oct 2012 #70
How civil of you! You don't know my life experience at all... Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #108
"Whites Only" "Colored Entrance" "No Jews" etc REP Oct 2012 #42
And there you have it. Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #48
Mostly the fact that AM radio broadcasts lies and hate 24/7 Doctor_J Oct 2012 #44
Many interesting and thoughtful ideas on here OldHippieChick Oct 2012 #49
Great post, Old Hippy. lumpy Oct 2012 #84
Joe Wilson. But that was very rude, disrespectful, and he was a real a-hole for saying it. raccoon Oct 2012 #96
Ignorance and talk radio Whovian Oct 2012 #50
The people who believe that they are right and righteous Fresh_Start Oct 2012 #53
this..... spanone Oct 2012 #54
People are less happy, for a variety of reasons. Also... sibelian Oct 2012 #55
The simple answer: the proliferation of lies, taken as facts. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #57
We are not all guilty of incivility. I am very courteous to people. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #58
I think incivility has gone mainstream felix_numinous Oct 2012 #60
Great post. Thanks lumpy Oct 2012 #85
about past forms of 'entertainment'...during the time of Shakespeare the most Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #101
Human beings felix_numinous Oct 2012 #119
We are on the verge of Civil War because one side has been cheating and oppressing the other. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #61
There is no verge. Civil war is inevitable! Great Caesars Ghost Oct 2012 #116
War is only inevitable when folk CHOOSE to be too stupid to resolve their differences. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #133
one can hold out for so long. Great Caesars Ghost Oct 2012 #134
The lack of H2O Man Oct 2012 #65
Nice one! randome Oct 2012 #72
Clowns. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #67
I think part of it is anonymity on the internet. Kablooie Oct 2012 #71
I think that's a great point. union_maid Oct 2012 #75
Everyone considers him or herself civil woo me with science Oct 2012 #73
i find that folks are fine in the grocery store and on the roads in my little town NMDemDist2 Oct 2012 #76
Rush Limbaugh, 20+ years ago. Period. Faygo Kid Oct 2012 #79
Human nature, the desire to one-up one another. alp227 Oct 2012 #81
IMO it became acceptable with Raygun. "There you go again" said to President Carter Raine Oct 2012 #82
I'm not convinced there has been a rise in incivility fishwax Oct 2012 #87
lack of UBUNTU! NMDemDist2 Oct 2012 #88
Because, in our society, bullies are celebrated, and non-bullies are seen as weak. Dash87 Oct 2012 #89
I just posted to my fb today this very point. flyguyjake Oct 2012 #91
Two things occurring in the 1980's Sherman A1 Oct 2012 #92
I believe it also started during the eighties. lalalu Oct 2012 #105
Happy Days, Seinfeld, The Sopranos. CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #98
Lifestyles of the rich and famous, bad parenting and lack of personal responsibility. lalalu Oct 2012 #102
We're a Spartan society area51 Oct 2012 #103
WWGD? littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #104
Reduced sense of community. Less societal control on behavior. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #106
Don't see much of that deaniac21 Oct 2012 #109
"Election season". wtmusic Oct 2012 #110
For late 20th C. America = Right. Wing. Talk. Radio. Hours and hours of "aggrieved" rants. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #111
Let me get this straight: our country is based on ECONOMIC DARWINISM, as is the most unequal of all Romulox Oct 2012 #113
GOP losers...losers in many ways. kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #114
Among Other Reasons... WiffenPoof Oct 2012 #117
For the right-wing agenda to be successful, we must be a nation of strangers who hate each other begin_within Oct 2012 #120
The habit of instant gratification and the increased ability to compartmentalize life. haele Oct 2012 #122
I think the Internet is eroding socialization Prism Oct 2012 #123
George W. mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2012 #124
republicans. barbtries Oct 2012 #126
Incivility in blogs? lordjin Oct 2012 #127
Politically, incivility goes back at least 40 years NHDEMFORLIFE Oct 2012 #128
i'm not seeing it Enrique Oct 2012 #129
When news became entertainment. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #130
Getting old. No matter what time or place you live in, people always get ruder the older you get. Evoman Oct 2012 #131
"Think of your own driving habits. You yelling at other drivers. Other drivers flipping you off." undeterred Oct 2012 #132
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