General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: What do you think accounts for the rise in incivility? [View all]Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)I believe the greedy rich have ignited this culture war between those who are into "pure science" and those who believe in "pure religion". Even Jesus said to give unto Cesar what is Cesar's and that we live in the world but are not "of" the world.
There were MANY civil conversations back to the time of the Greeks and early Christians even, so it isn't impossible. Many people have believed in God and understood the value of science over several thousand years so it isn't a "GIVEN" that we are so far apart. It's being pushed from the 1% down to create the next great schism and keep us busy while they rob US blind and take over the country.
A poor person who isn't TAUGHT science and only HAS religion is an easy target for such tactics. Which is why as a person of faith, I'm a DEM who fights for Science to be taught in schools and against the melding of Church and State.
I happen to be a Christian that straddles Science and Religion and know when one or the other is appropriate.
So for me, religion is my own spiritual thing, and science helps me understand the world I live in. Science can help me make better decisions in many respects, but in a few areas I feel a need to be and do more than pure science or humanism requires and in those times and places, it's my faith that gets me through.
Example my only problem with evolution is the missing link, but that is really more of a theoretical dilemma. Even if humans WERE put here by an intelligent being, it's obvious that we were created from the same substance as our fellow creatures and follow the same basic evolutionary rules that Darwin observed. I know that "IDA" is the latest find and there are possibilities there, but is it a true slam dunk? I'm still studying and waiting for more details before I make up my mind. Even a scientist is allowed to be skeptical, so why not a Christian?
http://blog.ted.com/2009/05/19/darwin_validate/
Ironically, I think if we can win this election, get our country back on track to prosperity and away from being governed by the religiously intolerant (and by that I mean the right-wing nuts that tolerate nothing other than their OWN religion) then we CAN have some successful conversations on abortion that begin with helping girls and women to not be forced into situations where they are faced with that choice. Having each side do the parts they are comfortable with to lessen abortions in general.
Abortion isn't a type of medical procedure that most women really want to have anyway. Birth control choices should be available way before it gets to that point. EMPOWERMENT of women to make those choices is STILL the ROLE of government and supporting people to heal in or prevent situations where abortion becomes the only option can be a joint effort of the Therapy and Religious communities.
I'm Pro-Choice, Pro-Birth Control and I'm Pro-Life and FOR ME that means LIFE is precious and needs to be respected AFTER a child is born as well. I understand that sometimes a difficult decision HAS to be made and only the people who have to LIVE with that decision have any true input.
It's MY hope that every child is a "wanted" child, but I've seen people keep children in tough situations and find ways to make that work. So a little bit of pressure from the Pro-Life side and the option of adoption thrown in there to me is part of the CHOICE.
Legislation to make as many women barefoot and pregnant is a step backward and against empowering US to have full civil rights and responsibilities.