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Samantha

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133. As far as I am concerned, Romney lost the debate by default

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:15 PM

Oct 2012

First of all, he broke one of the rules by bringing crib notes to the stage. Both he and President Obama had agreed to those rules, but Romney cheated. That alone should disqualify him.

Secondly, he lied like the yellow trotting dog that he is. There probably is no penalty box for lying but there should be.

Beyond that, President Obama had a decision to make in a big hurry: ignore the lies or present his position points. Since he was limited to only two minute responses on the issues, he could use up his two minutes refuting Romney's lies, or he could use those two minutes to present his position to the biggest audience of Republicans he would ever have a chance to court. He knew the fact-checkers would counter Romney's lies, so he went with the smart choice: go for the Republican votes.

I know I have a minority opinion on this subject here, but that is okay. I made my mind up the night of the debate and I have read nothing that has changed my mind. So that is my story and I am sticking to it.

Sam

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Ok, I blew my stack this morning with my husband. [View all] Skidmore Oct 2012 OP

Agree! Too many people view the presidency as a sporting contest, wanting to RKP5637 Oct 2012 #1

Exactly. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #3

Yep, some want them to just belly up to the local bar and have a brawl, and if that RKP5637 Oct 2012 #9

third grade. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #141

Exactly, I've said in several posts that Obama won the presidential debate rock Oct 2012 #12

That was an easy question! RKP5637 Oct 2012 #15

No difficult decision there! Paka Oct 2012 #132

Re: The Sports Analogy jayschool Oct 2012 #17

Agree sooo much! Jim Lehrer did a horrible job. He let Romney run all RKP5637 Oct 2012 #19

Lehrer let them play TomClash Oct 2012 #37

Exactly right oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #99

Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2012 #117

if you watched any network other than cspan that night SemperEadem Oct 2012 #92

This country treats its elections like a sporting contest. You root your party to victory bulloney Oct 2012 #45

so true! it's like they want a reality tv show slug fest SemperEadem Oct 2012 #91

I've often mockingly said maybe the whole election should just be done on RKP5637 Oct 2012 #114

Tell your husband from me: All hat and no cowboy doesn't make a Commander in Chief and that lies lonestarnot Oct 2012 #2

i agree. A liar cannot win a debate just because they are lying louder than the truth teller. shraby Oct 2012 #4

They held Barack Obama accountable for Romney's lies to be sure...and when Joe Biden would NOT LET LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #5

How about "Kind and strong"? Why does nice, kind, compassionate have to go with "weak"? Iris Oct 2012 #27

I'm not saying it shouldn't, I'm just saying that's the way it is. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #119

because heaven05 Oct 2012 #129

Glad I'm not your husband, MadHound Oct 2012 #6

That's a good point of view! At least it's not R vs. D. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2012 #11

^^^ this ^^^ WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #13

"I think you're into the election a bit too much" Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #42

+1 besides, shit happens treestar Oct 2012 #59

Shit happens sometimes because people are far too focused. MadHound Oct 2012 #73

So, we should blow our stack at a spouse, MadHound Oct 2012 #72

If you have the same view of rewarding the mendacity of Romney Skidmore Oct 2012 #137

yes, we could all dial it back a bit mountain grammy Oct 2012 #71

I'm sure she's glad she's not your wife also lunatica Oct 2012 #77

So, do you blow your stack at your spouse over every minute disagreement in politics? MadHound Oct 2012 #84

"...every minute disagreement.." lunatica Oct 2012 #107

No kidding deaniac21 Oct 2012 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #116

I think perhaps one should not judge personal relationships. Raine1967 Oct 2012 #140

Romney broke the rules of the debate by talking over the moderator BenzoDia Oct 2012 #7

Sorry but Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #100

Yea - but this is the US and we are a war like lot. Lucky Luciano Oct 2012 #8

Idiocracy marions ghost Oct 2012 #53

hate to tell you. blueknight Oct 2012 #10

I often say many democrats don't get how really stupid and aggressive many RKP5637 Oct 2012 #14

Good point. nt raccoon Oct 2012 #89

Obama kept trying to work with these people LONG after it was obvious what they were doing. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #21

"Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus"? BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #16

The media, including the supposed liberal supporters at MSNBC, have pushed the "boxing".... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #18

Gee, imagine if this were France in 1789. "Don't be so OUTRAGED, you hysterical sans culottes!" WinkyDink Oct 2012 #56

The media liberal from boston Oct 2012 #69

even Obama knows he lost... lame54 Oct 2012 #20

Look, I know he blew it and so does he, but it's not a sporting event. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #24

It is a war of values and the future of our country. much bigger than a sporting event. robinlynne Oct 2012 #44

The media wants the whole "Red vs Blue" thing too. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #108

Not being into sports, I hear ya. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #22

You know, when even the President admits in an interview that he blew it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #23

That's not the point. It's the whole "Boxing" crap. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #28

Debates in modern times are really theater nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #31

Are you kidding??? Do you know how nasty that got? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #39

Yes, it got nasty nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #52

Debates are often the only time they are forced to face each other.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #76

Yes and, you are still ignoring the theater involved in this nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #113

"the sports analogy is beter than the war analogy," Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #120

but this election is exactly about a knockout. The stakes are very high. We have no other choice but robinlynne Oct 2012 #46

Kerry won all three debates. Didn't make any difference. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #85

It sure did make a difference. Kerry won the election. They just didn't bother to count the votes in robinlynne Oct 2012 #94

Honestly,....who heard of Kerry prior to his run? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #109

Are you calling the President a concern troll? A Simple Game Oct 2012 #29

Yup nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #33

They can be fun if you don't take them too seriously. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2012 #36

Not necessarily treestar Oct 2012 #87

He was being as gracious as always. Not for one Solomon Oct 2012 #97

And this is why I am so glad I do not wear nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #122

First, your husband would be considered a concern troll and voted off A Simple Game Oct 2012 #25

<--- some of us have reason nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #30

I forgot you are a media person, and yes they can be entertaining. A Simple Game Oct 2012 #35

Good for you! Hubert Flottz Oct 2012 #26

Romney won a round TomClash Oct 2012 #32

Romney's lies teed it up for Joe to whack it a mile Zambero Oct 2012 #34

^^^ THIS is exactly it ^^^ n/t BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #38

No need to argue. H2O Man Oct 2012 #40

Thanks, my friend. I've had time to cool down and Skidmore Oct 2012 #48

Perhaps the good thing H2O Man Oct 2012 #49

wise words shireen Oct 2012 #80

Many years ago H2O Man Oct 2012 #95

People need to deal with the fact Obama did horrible krawhitham Oct 2012 #41

That is what I saw. I could not fucking believe what I was watching. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #121

I feel your pain. lalalu Oct 2012 #43

I'd say to listen to your husband quinnox Oct 2012 #47

No joke. I agree 1000%. okieinpain Oct 2012 #54

The President's performance may continue to be low-key. Betsy Ross Oct 2012 #50

"But that act only works once"....Mitt at the debate reminded me of Daffy Duck in Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #61

There are plenty of folks out there who don't know what is a lie and what is the truth........ meti57b Oct 2012 #51

yes the audience has been well-trained in this marions ghost Oct 2012 #55

those types of people live off of steady, glutinous a diet of reality tv show SemperEadem Oct 2012 #103

That is why Biden's performance was so important. Biden called Ryan on every lie and bluestate10 Oct 2012 #123

If only Obama had thrown a right uppercut in the 3rd round... aletier_v Oct 2012 #57

You're right skidmore. marezdotes Oct 2012 #58

I find myself wondering why anyone would want to continue this discussion...but then Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #60

Excellent post! PearliePoo2 Oct 2012 #112

THANKS! Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #115

Except you are wrong naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #62

The items that ripped me the most was the President constantly looking at the moderator, bluestate10 Oct 2012 #124

Are you sure you are not my sister and her husband??? asjr Oct 2012 #63

Sadly, this same dynamic plays out on DU everyday in many threads aikoaiko Oct 2012 #64

Horseshit. Skidmore Oct 2012 #74

You're free to define a successful debate on your terms aikoaiko Oct 2012 #90

YAY! 12AngryBorneoWildmen Oct 2012 #65

I agree with your husband joeglow3 Oct 2012 #66

The president DID lose the debate Doctor_J Oct 2012 #67

Oh, I hear you. Fortunately, I haven't had that kind of discussion around here this election. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #68

Good job, I do think this is a male/female thing Tumbulu Oct 2012 #70

Dunno, it was reversed in my house. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #82

Maybe it is a personality thing then Tumbulu Oct 2012 #146

When I watched the debate I thought Obama did fine LeftInTX Oct 2012 #110

Our politics are all about style over substance AgingAmerican Oct 2012 #75

Your reaction was understandable. Savannahmann Oct 2012 #78

My debate response: "I don't care who smiled, or lied, or held back. I care who told the truth." nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #79

The important thing is not who told the truth... Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #98

How are the people who are not well informed going to know Romney "shape-shifted" LisaL Oct 2012 #102

Exactly the point!! Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #104

It's true. Mistaking aggression for substance is the sign of a weak grasp of ideas. nolabear Oct 2012 #81

your husband is right. The winner of a debate is the guy who moves the needle his direction. scheming daemons Oct 2012 #83

Great thread, Skidmore and DU'ers.. Permanut Oct 2012 #86

Total & complete hypocrisy Raggaemon Oct 2012 #88

Because the media is fucking afraid of republicans. The media does not fear democrats as much. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #126

Obama won on facts, but lost bad on acting RiverStone Oct 2012 #93

I agree. LisaL Oct 2012 #101

It's a guy thing ... showing strength and so naturally they expect it from their leader ... Wernothelpless Oct 2012 #96

I agree with you, Skidmore. nt Stardust Oct 2012 #105

My dad and I used to loudly "debate" just about eveything we madmom Oct 2012 #106

Sorry, your husband was right. The President was listless and let lie after lie from bluestate10 Oct 2012 #118

I think the President was naive enough to believe that Americans would Aoxous Oct 2012 #128

well heaven05 Oct 2012 #134

I am not sure "shallow" is the best word, but I would agree that many Aoxous Oct 2012 #138

You're right. Blanks Oct 2012 #125

I continue to post Obama won that debate PatrynXX Oct 2012 #127

Sorry Pat but not everyone knows that... Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #130

So Skidmore, when I do that AND I HAVE done that.... Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #131

I gave them back after venting here. Skidmore Oct 2012 #136

As far as I am concerned, Romney lost the debate by default Samantha Oct 2012 #133

Maybe you could give him an approved list of things he is allowed to say... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #135

Well the truth it seems is humbled_opinion Oct 2012 #139

I was truly upset with Obama's performance you are right. gordianot Oct 2012 #142

Truth does not matter in debates. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #143

I think you probably should apologize to him Marrah_G Oct 2012 #144

Truth be told Eddie Haskell Oct 2012 #145