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Demsrule86

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31. My Sister said I had it wrong...she said it was an in law...possibly daughter in law.
Wed May 5, 2021, 04:42 PM
May 2021

I have heard it for years...I come from Albemarle County...my Mom's family was there since the 1600s. When Dad was in the Navy that is where we lived off and on during my childhood...I heard the story for years. My sister can't remember the details either...But she swears it was an inlaw or a relative...I have no idea what the truth is as I said before. Jefferson did outlaw the slave trade which was great, but, he was a man of his times and no hero with how his own slaves were treated. In fact, he sold slaves to get out of debt countless times after the revolution.

And of course, people romanticize the Hemmings/Jefferson relationship. But she was a child when it began. I find his conduct less than honorable even for his own time. I understand we can't judge those who came before us using today's standards, but I wonder if men like Jefferson had held their ground and stamped slavery out at the birth of this nation, what would it look like today?

Jefferson was interested in modern methods to manage slaves and new types of labor to support his plantation...he wrote extensively on it. Below is the tale of one of these endeavors...I found it at the Smithsonian. I just find him to be a hypocrite on this issue. He lambasted cruel overseers but wanted his own rebellious slaves punished with the whip...I posted the link. It is an interesting read...a subject not taught in school not even at my college.

'Planting wheat required fewer workers than tobacco, leaving a pool of field laborers available for specialized training. Jefferson embarked on a comprehensive program to modernize slavery, diversify it and industrialize it. Monticello would have a nail factory, a textile factory, a short-lived tinsmithing operation, coopering and, charcoal burning. He had ambitious plans for a flour mill and a canal to provide water power for it.

Training for this new organization began in childhood. Jefferson sketched out a plan in his Farm Book: “children till 10. years old to serve as nurses. from 10. to 16. the boys make nails, the girls spin. at 16. go into the ground or learn trades.” I should add that food rations were determined by your status when you were a slave...so the nail boys got extra rations while others did not.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/

And women have love for their spouse that beat them Norbert May 2021 #1
Honestly, you are probably right Bettie May 2021 #13
Well, ask the slaves themselves. krispos42 May 2021 #2
If true, masters would have freed their slaves. Didn't happen. Not true. Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #3
"Slavery is a good thing in this GOP... confederacy 101 in 2021." jaxexpat May 2021 #4
The present-day QOP is a fascist cult. We understand them better if we realize that abqtommy May 2021 #5
See Stockholm Syndrome and theories of attachment of victims to abusers. Klaralven May 2021 #6
maybe it soothed the slaveowners consciences to believe that eShirl May 2021 #7
This is not well known story but Thomas Jefferson's daughter is said to have beathen Demsrule86 May 2021 #9
Absolutely not true obamanut2012 May 2021 #19
My Sister said I had it wrong...she said it was an in law...possibly daughter in law. Demsrule86 May 2021 #31
I read about Jefferson's daugter who presided over the selling of slaves after Jefferson's death. I Demsrule86 May 2021 #32
Slaves were FORCED to PRETEND to love their "masters." raging moderate May 2021 #10
Enslaved people who complained about their treatment were commonly sold into far worse conditions GeoWilliam750 May 2021 #24
YES! You are RIGHT! Slavery was HORRIBLE! raging moderate May 2021 #27
"Never wanted to leave..." Yeah, sure. Hence the slave patrols. raging moderate May 2021 #29
The founding fathers knew slavery was problem SallyHemmings May 2021 #8
Tommy Lee Jones in Lincoln movie responds to Huckabay for me bronxiteforever May 2021 #11
Thaddeus Stevens was one of our greatest Americans. raging moderate May 2021 #28
+1 I so agree. a great American. He even chose his burial bronxiteforever May 2021 #35
Yes, Yes! True! raging moderate Jun 2021 #42
Republican/Nazis LOVE to abuse others. Republican equals hatred. johnthewoodworker May 2021 #12
If the Israelites had stayed in Egypt with the masters they 'loved', there wouldn't be a Bible. tanyev May 2021 #14
good point. mdbl May 2021 #26
Maybe we would have been better of with just 8 or 9 states. marie999 May 2021 #15
No wonder they don't like $15 minimum wage. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #16
I don't think Peter aka Gordon would agree Historic NY May 2021 #17
more comments here ... left-of-center2012 May 2021 #18
Using the Bible to support slavery? keithbvadu2 May 2021 #20
The Bible does condemn cruelty to slaves, in several passages. raging moderate May 2021 #37
Yes. Overall, the Bible/God OKs slavery. keithbvadu2 May 2021 #39
Yes, but "In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female..." raging moderate May 2021 #40
Then there are no longer males nor females in Christianity. keithbvadu2 May 2021 #41
And if her husband sells their daughters into slavery? keithbvadu2 May 2021 #21
Do we need pressbox69 May 2021 #22
"I'd be a happy slave if you would just beat me enough" struggle4progress May 2021 #23
There's nothing new about this mindset and speech misanthrope May 2021 #25
This song is really old.It doesn't sound as if people adored their earthly "master." Judi Lynn May 2021 #30
Is she volunteering to be a happy slave? SoonerPride May 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex May 2021 #34
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever May 2021 #36
Sounds like Martha Huckabay learned everything she knows about slavery ShazzieB May 2021 #38
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