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George II

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68. He's not going to get many votes from the white working class if he gets his way....

Tue May 11, 2021, 06:13 PM

May 2021

The white (and rest of the) working class is being hurt by retaining the cap. Tens of thousands of taxpayers in VERMONT, virtually all white working class, are affected by the cap.

This isn't good for the revolution.

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Bernie Sanders Splits With Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer Over Tax Deduction in Dem States [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 OP

I can see this not being a popular move by Sanders nt Celerity May 2021 #1

Bernie-- you can't have everything you want. The SALT deduction helps more than it hurts. TreasonousBastard May 2021 #2

Bingo!! zeusdogmom May 2021 #3

Yeah it helps the 1% more...l PoliticAverse May 2021 #6

There's a whole lot of numbers in there, but no specifics of where they came from... TreasonousBastard May 2021 #8

The non-itemizing personal federal deduction is $12,550 (2021). If the SALT deduction fight... PoliticAverse May 2021 #9

Do many lower income people have state income & property tax bills of well over 10K ? MichMan May 2021 #10

Either way Johonny May 2021 #16

Wrong. Eliminating that deduction hurt tens of millions of middle class working people. George II May 2021 #21

The deduction overwhelmingly benefits the 1%, who are the ones that (obviously) pay the most p PoliticAverse May 2021 #34

That article only addresses state income taxes, not real estate taxes. There are a lot of people... George II May 2021 #38

The SALT cap is most definately not regressive as shown by your own example. PoliticAverse May 2021 #39

But everyone over that, which is just about half the people in CT, are above the cap.... George II May 2021 #44

Flat Earther article, They left out people ... NOT ... buying houses because of no SALT deductions uponit7771 May 2021 #49

As some of the other posters have indicated, eliminating the SALT deduction has depressed housing PoliticAverse May 2021 #51

That's supposed to be a good thing for those who bought high?!!!!! uponit7771 May 2021 #69

As TreasonousBastard says. We have a real job to do to fix this nation. Hortensis May 2021 #31

I'll trust Chuck and Nancy's political instincts comradebillyboy May 2021 #4

+1 LizBeth May 2021 #11

It's not just a matter of political instincts. It's a matter of common sense and reality. George II May 2021 #22

Indeed Pelosi and Schumer are much more sensible comradebillyboy May 2021 #28

That too! Cha May 2021 #57

+1 betsuni May 2021 #59

Jeeze.. just what Cha May 2021 #56

I'm with Bernie TheFarseer May 2021 #5

Not really MANative May 2021 #7

Just saw that the average property tax bill in New Jersey is $9,111 and 40% of the state's betsuni May 2021 #12

Everyone that itemizes and pays property taxes "uses the deduction", but that doesn't mean PoliticAverse May 2021 #13

Average property tax in New Jersey is $9,112. Half are below $9112, half are above $9112... George II May 2021 #61

No, only "median" means "half above". "Average" is the arithmetic average PoliticAverse May 2021 #62

Same in Virginia. I'm about average in my county; losing SALT was a huge tax hike. lagomorph777 May 2021 #53

Plus the cap is on both real estate AND state income taxes, not just real estate taxes.... George II May 2021 #42

Exactly. Our combined taxes were more than double the SALT limit MANative May 2021 #50

Well then, you just have to give up living the high life along with all those 1%ers.... George II May 2021 #55

Wrong. It affects tens of millions of average, NOT "well off" Americans. George II May 2021 #23

But TheFarseer May 2021 #33

2.4 million people in Connecticut (67%) live in one-family homes, only 20,000 live in mobile homes. George II May 2021 #40

Not really the point. nt TheFarseer May 2021 #41

SALT isn't only related to property, Sanders is text book on the wrong side of this issue uponit7771 May 2021 #47

I understand that and I'm sure he does TheFarseer May 2021 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 May 2021 #48

Bernie isn't being factual in one bit, he's technically wrong on which states SALT benefits the most uponit7771 May 2021 #46

"Sanders says it's unsustainable for the Democratic Party to keep losing non-college educated betsuni May 2021 #14

Oh, Bernie... NurseJackie May 2021 #18

Seriously. betsuni May 2021 #19

Where has he been? Reinstating this deduction will attract LOTS of "non-college educated" voters... George II May 2021 #24

Of course he did.. that Cha May 2021 #58

"I think ... in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, betsuni May 2021 #60

Exactly.. one would think Cha May 2021 #66

Coastal elites again. So who has "a lot of money" and lives about 100 miles from the Atlantic coast? George II May 2021 #75

Well, "If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too." betsuni May 2021 #76

Why? sheshe2 May 2021 #64

Apparently the white working class is where Teh Revolution will happen. betsuni May 2021 #67

He's not going to get many votes from the white working class if he gets his way.... George II May 2021 #68

Yes, the pre-Trump status quo was better for the working/middle classes. betsuni May 2021 #70

The message is: there is no indexing of taxes for cost of living and unrepresented big states Johonny May 2021 #15

Bernie is wrong. We are not rich and that Trump GOP penalty on us in CA hurt us. ZonkerHarris May 2021 #17

It cost us in Connecticut, but it would have even more so, like you, in California and New York..... George II May 2021 #25

and it must be remembered that this was political retaliation by the GOP on blue states ZonkerHarris May 2021 #32

NOT bringing back the SALT deduction sent a "terrible terrible message". Where was he when this.... George II May 2021 #20

Did you not pay your property and state taxes? You said you didn't have it. SYFROYH May 2021 #26

We're probably not the best example now, but when it was eliminated my wife was still working.... George II May 2021 #30

I don't agree with Bernie on this one... Wounded Bear May 2021 #27

Should there be an income trigger where SALT deduction would be eliminated? SYFROYH May 2021 #29

That's if the issue is actually about lower-income earners and not about helping the 1% PoliticAverse May 2021 #35

Bernie is dead wrong about this. The SALT tax deduction allows blue states to keep more of its tax.. Yavin4 May 2021 #36

da fuq? Happy Hoosier May 2021 #37

Bernie is the one sending a "terrible, terrible message" DFW May 2021 #43

Sanders is proffering flat earth logic on SALT thinks it benefits NY and CA mostly uponit7771 May 2021 #45

Bernie is wrong. SALT deduction is a middle-class deduction. Trump hiked my taxes. lagomorph777 May 2021 #52

Stop it Bernie. Lots of middle class pay taxes in these states and they ain't rich. boston bean May 2021 #54

Agreed. sheshe2 May 2021 #65

Let's all remember this folks when the "debate" comes up again.... George II May 2021 #71

Thank you, good to know. betsuni May 2021 #72

Wow. TY Bookmarked. Cha May 2021 #73

Oh my, interesting fact. sheshe2 May 2021 #74