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betsuni

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70. Yes, the pre-Trump status quo was better for the working/middle classes.

Tue May 11, 2021, 06:53 PM

May 2021

The ideas is that if "simple economic programs" are just explained to the white working class, they'll unite in solidarity against the 1%. As if they don't know that Democrats are the party of government helping improve people's lives. They know.

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Bernie Sanders Splits With Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer Over Tax Deduction in Dem States [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 OP

I can see this not being a popular move by Sanders nt Celerity May 2021 #1

Bernie-- you can't have everything you want. The SALT deduction helps more than it hurts. TreasonousBastard May 2021 #2

Bingo!! zeusdogmom May 2021 #3

Yeah it helps the 1% more...l PoliticAverse May 2021 #6

There's a whole lot of numbers in there, but no specifics of where they came from... TreasonousBastard May 2021 #8

The non-itemizing personal federal deduction is $12,550 (2021). If the SALT deduction fight... PoliticAverse May 2021 #9

Do many lower income people have state income & property tax bills of well over 10K ? MichMan May 2021 #10

Either way Johonny May 2021 #16

Wrong. Eliminating that deduction hurt tens of millions of middle class working people. George II May 2021 #21

The deduction overwhelmingly benefits the 1%, who are the ones that (obviously) pay the most p PoliticAverse May 2021 #34

That article only addresses state income taxes, not real estate taxes. There are a lot of people... George II May 2021 #38

The SALT cap is most definately not regressive as shown by your own example. PoliticAverse May 2021 #39

But everyone over that, which is just about half the people in CT, are above the cap.... George II May 2021 #44

Flat Earther article, They left out people ... NOT ... buying houses because of no SALT deductions uponit7771 May 2021 #49

As some of the other posters have indicated, eliminating the SALT deduction has depressed housing PoliticAverse May 2021 #51

That's supposed to be a good thing for those who bought high?!!!!! uponit7771 May 2021 #69

As TreasonousBastard says. We have a real job to do to fix this nation. Hortensis May 2021 #31

I'll trust Chuck and Nancy's political instincts comradebillyboy May 2021 #4

+1 LizBeth May 2021 #11

It's not just a matter of political instincts. It's a matter of common sense and reality. George II May 2021 #22

Indeed Pelosi and Schumer are much more sensible comradebillyboy May 2021 #28

That too! Cha May 2021 #57

+1 betsuni May 2021 #59

Jeeze.. just what Cha May 2021 #56

I'm with Bernie TheFarseer May 2021 #5

Not really MANative May 2021 #7

Just saw that the average property tax bill in New Jersey is $9,111 and 40% of the state's betsuni May 2021 #12

Everyone that itemizes and pays property taxes "uses the deduction", but that doesn't mean PoliticAverse May 2021 #13

Average property tax in New Jersey is $9,112. Half are below $9112, half are above $9112... George II May 2021 #61

No, only "median" means "half above". "Average" is the arithmetic average PoliticAverse May 2021 #62

Same in Virginia. I'm about average in my county; losing SALT was a huge tax hike. lagomorph777 May 2021 #53

Plus the cap is on both real estate AND state income taxes, not just real estate taxes.... George II May 2021 #42

Exactly. Our combined taxes were more than double the SALT limit MANative May 2021 #50

Well then, you just have to give up living the high life along with all those 1%ers.... George II May 2021 #55

Wrong. It affects tens of millions of average, NOT "well off" Americans. George II May 2021 #23

But TheFarseer May 2021 #33

2.4 million people in Connecticut (67%) live in one-family homes, only 20,000 live in mobile homes. George II May 2021 #40

Not really the point. nt TheFarseer May 2021 #41

SALT isn't only related to property, Sanders is text book on the wrong side of this issue uponit7771 May 2021 #47

I understand that and I'm sure he does TheFarseer May 2021 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 May 2021 #48

Bernie isn't being factual in one bit, he's technically wrong on which states SALT benefits the most uponit7771 May 2021 #46

"Sanders says it's unsustainable for the Democratic Party to keep losing non-college educated betsuni May 2021 #14

Oh, Bernie... NurseJackie May 2021 #18

Seriously. betsuni May 2021 #19

Where has he been? Reinstating this deduction will attract LOTS of "non-college educated" voters... George II May 2021 #24

Of course he did.. that Cha May 2021 #58

"I think ... in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, betsuni May 2021 #60

Exactly.. one would think Cha May 2021 #66

Coastal elites again. So who has "a lot of money" and lives about 100 miles from the Atlantic coast? George II May 2021 #75

Well, "If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too." betsuni May 2021 #76

Why? sheshe2 May 2021 #64

Apparently the white working class is where Teh Revolution will happen. betsuni May 2021 #67

He's not going to get many votes from the white working class if he gets his way.... George II May 2021 #68

Yes, the pre-Trump status quo was better for the working/middle classes. betsuni May 2021 #70

The message is: there is no indexing of taxes for cost of living and unrepresented big states Johonny May 2021 #15

Bernie is wrong. We are not rich and that Trump GOP penalty on us in CA hurt us. ZonkerHarris May 2021 #17

It cost us in Connecticut, but it would have even more so, like you, in California and New York..... George II May 2021 #25

and it must be remembered that this was political retaliation by the GOP on blue states ZonkerHarris May 2021 #32

NOT bringing back the SALT deduction sent a "terrible terrible message". Where was he when this.... George II May 2021 #20

Did you not pay your property and state taxes? You said you didn't have it. SYFROYH May 2021 #26

We're probably not the best example now, but when it was eliminated my wife was still working.... George II May 2021 #30

I don't agree with Bernie on this one... Wounded Bear May 2021 #27

Should there be an income trigger where SALT deduction would be eliminated? SYFROYH May 2021 #29

That's if the issue is actually about lower-income earners and not about helping the 1% PoliticAverse May 2021 #35

Bernie is dead wrong about this. The SALT tax deduction allows blue states to keep more of its tax.. Yavin4 May 2021 #36

da fuq? Happy Hoosier May 2021 #37

Bernie is the one sending a "terrible, terrible message" DFW May 2021 #43

Sanders is proffering flat earth logic on SALT thinks it benefits NY and CA mostly uponit7771 May 2021 #45

Bernie is wrong. SALT deduction is a middle-class deduction. Trump hiked my taxes. lagomorph777 May 2021 #52

Stop it Bernie. Lots of middle class pay taxes in these states and they ain't rich. boston bean May 2021 #54

Agreed. sheshe2 May 2021 #65

Let's all remember this folks when the "debate" comes up again.... George II May 2021 #71

Thank you, good to know. betsuni May 2021 #72

Wow. TY Bookmarked. Cha May 2021 #73

Oh my, interesting fact. sheshe2 May 2021 #74