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Ms. Toad

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25. The manner of calculation is misleading
Sat May 22, 2021, 01:01 PM
May 2021

The vaccine effectiveness (95%) was arrived at by comparing # of cases of COVID 19 among vaccinated individuals to # of cases among unvaccinated (in the same population, at the same time). In other words it is comparing a control group of similarly sitauated unvaccinated people to the vaccinated group all experiencing the same exposures over the same period of time. Under those circumstances, out of every 100 unvaccinated people who came down with COVID, only 5 vaccinated people did.

What 95% represents is your decreased likelihood of getting the disease when exposed to the same circumstances as someone who was unvaccinated.

The figure in this article is an isolated calculation comparing absolute numbers (not in comparison to a control group) over a period of time that varies by individual, arrived at during a period when mitigation measures were in place.

To make the point - the Pfizer trial numbers suggest being unvaccinated is remarkably effective! Only 162/22,000 unvaccinated people got COVID) - that's a .7% chance of getting infected!!!.

But if that is accurate - if each person only has a .7% chance of getting infected - how did we get to 10.3% of the US population (33,863,409/328,200,000) having been infected with COVID? If my "chance of getting COVID is .7%, there should only have been 2,297,400 cases - ever - in the US. There were 14 times as many a predicted! How can that be???

The explanation: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The explanation is that whoever wrote that you had a .03% chance of gettign vaccinated didn't understand the statistics (The article is behind a paywall, so I don't know whether that description was part of the article or not). .03% isn't measuring your chances of getting COVID, as a vaccinated person. It is a measure of the portion of the population at a particular point in time, under the circumstances that existed at that time, with varying vaccination duration, who were actually infected during that time period. Without more data (comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated, adjusting for those vaccinated a month v. those vaccinated for 3 months (and exposed to far more COVID-causing events), adjusting for mitigation measures in place) it says very little about your chances of getting COVID.

That is not to say the vaccinations are not remarkably effective. BUT it is misleading to say you have a .03% chance of getting COVID. More accurately, the number itself would be adjusted for the varying periods of time people were vaccinated (and subsequently exposed) and the infection rate in the communities in which they lived and worked, and what mitigation efforts were in place (and likely other factors I am not thingking of).

And AFTER adjustment it would be described more like this: You have a .XX% chance of becoming infected with COVID over an XX month period of time if you are vaccinated, and live in a community with an average 2-week infection rate of XXX/100,000 infection, in which the following mitigation efforts {XXX, XXX, XXX} are in place.

So - .03% chance of getting COVID is a statistical lie.

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I walked past two vaccination spots here in NYC and both were empty. Yavin4 May 2021 #1
New Yorkers need mobile units with vaccinations... Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #5
I'll take those odds!! beaglelover May 2021 #2
Right! If those odds scared me I would never drive again. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #3
Great news! Hooray science! Initech May 2021 #4
Indeed. I'm frustrated with the passive push by our government to get people vaccinated. Yavin4 May 2021 #8
Heck, you'd think the evangelical Christian loons... Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #12
Yet, federal, state, and local governments refuse to require it of all employees MichMan May 2021 #20
That assumes that none of those vaccinated will ever get COVID. Ms. Toad May 2021 #6
Pre-vaccine, you calculated the probability of getting covid by looking at the infection rate at the Yavin4 May 2021 #7
The manner of calculation is misleading Ms. Toad May 2021 #25
The quote never states what your probability of getting covid was. Yavin4 May 2021 #28
Copied and pasted from the OP: Ms. Toad May 2021 #29
Yeah, a better idea of the distribution over time... Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #9
One of my criteria for getting a vaccine was that it outperform the flu vaccines Ms. Toad May 2021 #23
Yes, I agree. Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #24
I've been watching the rates dropping Ms. Toad May 2021 #26
People that have been vaccinated shouldn't have to wear a mask anywhere. Period MichMan May 2021 #10
Maybe those infected people were also wearing masks? Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #11
Vaccinated and wearing masks, yet still caught it? MichMan May 2021 #13
Sure, since neither measure is 100% effective. Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #14
99.97 % Close enough for me MichMan May 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan May 2021 #16
AMERICA! SoCalDavidS May 2021 #17
Eventually the mask becomes a comfort object for many madville May 2021 #18
So how do you propose that we ensure it is ONLY vaccinated people Ms. Toad May 2021 #27
Another stat: In Illinois 1.07% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed since January 1st mucifer May 2021 #19
Yep, Dallas County has reported 506 breakthrough cases, 82 hospitalizations and 7 deaths. tanyev May 2021 #21
Thank you for another perspective. Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #22
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