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In reply to the discussion: Democrats have only themselves to blame if they lose to "defund the police" [View all]
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)128. Blaming protesters is the right idea?!?! WTF ?! How is this not brain dead on its face?!
Dems allowing GQP to define us is bad campaigning ***PERIOD*** !!!!
There's no way around that, you don't have to "deflect" if you define yourself on that position first, hard and often !!
The GQP shouldn't been able to come in with an ascription of a slogan that wasn't part of the party platform when we've flooded the issue zone with our position.
Covid 19 didn't kill 500k Americans Trumps bad response did
Swiftboating didn't kill Kerry's 04 campaign his bad response did
DTP Didn't bag down ballot candidates their bad responses to the false GQP attribution did ... OR ... they didn't get in front of the top level national issue of policing first and ran away from it.
The candidate who didn't run from DTP and defined their issue on policing won or picked up voting%s
That's a fact not in dispute
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Democrats have only themselves to blame if they lose to "defund the police" [View all]
wellst0nev0ter
Jun 2021
OP
+1, RIGHT !! They allow GQP to define the issue first and flood an issue zone with their message
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#15
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#153
Hmmm, so dems have their message for 2022 election set to keep house seats; tie the GQP candidate
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#16
It was some protesters. Democratic party didn't run on it and only a few supported the phrase as is
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#17
The other one that kills me is "woke". The only people using that term are right wingers/GOP
tenderfoot
Jun 2021
#23
Not for black people, we'll keep using the term despite racist attempts at appropriation.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#158
Black people have been using the term in songs etc since the 1940s and we still use it today ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#157
People who are bad at politics or are so purity crazed they care fuck all about winning elections
BannonsLiver
Jun 2021
#76
NO .. the point many people we respect said was dtp lost us races; it didn't bad campaigning did
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#14
Where's the analysis that those people would have otherwise voted for Biden?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#104
Her GQP opponent said she supported DTP as they did in 2020!! It's not the point ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#13
Loved what Richie Torres said about defund the police, quoted Orwell that some ideas are so stupid
betsuni
Jun 2021
#10
**** THANK YOU !!! **** Blaming a slogan that wasn't part of the party platform is whistling past
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#12
Then what about Wornock, Ossoff and Stansbury?! The first two won in relative close races too ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#117
That is hard to do when we have the Squad and others pushing this slogan
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#28
Then dem candidates need to do better at defining themselves !! Few times has it EVER worked at ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#124
Once again you make it very clear that you have never worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#132
Wornock and Ossoff's reality disagrees with your assessment and ad homs via condescension is an
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#133
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#137
Irrelevant seeing it doesn't excuse our lack of response to GQP false defining of dem positions ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#143
The "Democrats can't just be the not-Trump party" or the "We're not as bad as Republicans party,"
betsuni
Jun 2021
#151
Again it is very clear that you have never ever worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#201
Very clear you're wrong the DCCC post mortem explains DTP was used to get GQP vote out
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#202
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#204
Again, they "worked" for GQP turn out not ***AGAINST*** swing and dem turn out its an
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#206
The only leftward movement was a possible public option on the table to reform the ACA...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#148
You guys keep using Stanbury as an "example" to prove your point. Have you folks looked at...
George II
Jun 2021
#161
Biden ran in November, she ran in June - a 2% difference either way is irrelevant....
George II
Jun 2021
#169
The "last candidate" (you can say Deb Haaland) ran in a regular election about seven months ago....
George II
Jun 2021
#171
She picked up on Bidens margin with her win despite DTP is the point and in a focused attack DTP
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#178
Two completely different elections - different offices, different type of election, different YEARS!
George II
Jun 2021
#180
Again, state-wide elections not local. Five million votes vs. 130,000 votes.
George II
Jun 2021
#183
Warnock and Ossoff are both down ballot no one qualified the level of elections for DTP to affect
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#185
Warnock and Ossoff were NOT "down ballot" in January 2021 when they were both elected....
George II
Jun 2021
#187
"The swiftboat attacks didn't sink Kerry's campaign it was his no response to them."
betsuni
Jun 2021
#163
A person who is rhetorically attacked in politics is a victim? On what planet? This notion is what..
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#165
That "Defund the Police" had little to do with the lack of gains and losses downballot...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#196
+1, blaming DTP is like blaming COVID for most US deaths vs Trumps inaction
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#122
"Defund the Police" attacks are only potent to Dems who respond by punching left
wellst0nev0ter
Jun 2021
#30
They also run ads calling Democrats Communists and Socialists, are we going to say that those are...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#100
right ?! Dems blaming dtp is like blaming covid for killing 500k Americans not Trumps poor response.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#144
Allowing an opponent to define you is bad campaigning no matter ... ***PERIOD***
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#105
+1, we need to define them first and flood an issue with facts before they can negatively campaign
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#114
I think its working its just some people have defined the high road as counter punch & that doesn't
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#119
Yes, the, never has been liberal, MSM is pushing the idea that Democratic want police defunded,
ShazamIam
Jun 2021
#29
So you're saying a D+9 district in NM is the same as a district Trump won in NY?
brooklynite
Jun 2021
#31
The issue is whether the dirtbag left screaming "defund" hurts other Democrats
wellst0nev0ter
Jun 2021
#36
The myth that most Americans are democratic socialists waiting for true progressive leaders.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#79
Blaming protesters is the right idea?!?! WTF ?! How is this not brain dead on its face?!
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#128
What you described is textbook bad campaigning to run from something they never ascribe to
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#134
That's false, there wasn't "plenty" of dems who ascribed to DTP out of thousands of us ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#139
You do realize that those who protested didn't do it so that Democrats can win...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#107
Most of the public are largely ignorant of the purpose and origins of modern police...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#109
Republicans are the master of sloganeering, because that's all they got...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#118
Those are generic platitudes, not policy positions, hell the Republicans do the same...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#147
RIGHT !!! They didn't allow the GQP to define them !!! We need to define ourselves & issues better
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#125
Winning the primary in her district is almost an automatic general election victory....
George II
Jun 2021
#176
You do understand that turnout for Presidential elections is higher than midterms, right?
George II
Jun 2021
#186
The dirtbag left is what they called themselves. Chapo Trap House. They coined the phrase to
betsuni
Jun 2021
#88
What podcast Chapo Trap House called themselves and their audience. Not derogatory.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#89
Yup , pretty much similar to Republicans with the red/blue state map which shows large red areas
JI7
Jun 2021
#97
Actually, doesn't that strengthen the point? Democrats who won marginal seats around the country....
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#98
Tell people like Carville to stop it, I really don't understand the analysis operatives...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#99
I disagree. I don't think Democrats underestimated anything because they know Trump's voters
betsuni
Jun 2021
#101
From the operatives and pundits perspective, they underestimated things badly...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#103
We need to be able to run good campaigns were we define the republicans FIRST and flood an
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#113
Because we must improve our messaging to have any shot in 2022 with even more onerous
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#127
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 We must hit first, hard and often in defining the GQP as anti democracy and make
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#129
Sometimes, but more broadly it means nimbleness and being prepared to counter
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#146
Yes, "Defund" was this year's version of 2016's "Emails", 2014's "Obamacare and ebola"
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#120
Blaming DTP for dem losses is like blaming CV19 for most US deaths instead of Trumps inaction...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#121
Attacking good Democratic candidates who lost due to this slogan is offensive and wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#150
We agree and that's why those who understand campagning are stating fact not in dispute: Dems ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#154
So here and your other post in this thread, you're saying any Democrat who loses deserves to lose?
George II
Jun 2021
#162
No, any pol who allows an opponent to define them falsely in this day and age is running a ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#166
Max Rose is in a deep red District that has gone to the republicans almost every election....
George II
Jun 2021
#160
What about Warnock and Ossoff they defined themselves on policing and didn't let their ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#167
But that's exactly what some people looking for a scape-goat for their bad campaigns
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#168
So let's see - Democrats hold the House, the Senate, and the Presidency and in two years....
George II
Jun 2021
#172
If the evidence shows such we should change then blaming a slogan when there's blaring proof that
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#175
Did I say that? I said Democrats are in control of the House. They might not have lost 13 seats....
George II
Jun 2021
#188
No I didn't - it wasn't germane in the context of that part of the discussion, there was no....
George II
Jun 2021
#190
Ah, so now you're changing the subject. We're talking about "DEFUND THE POLICE" and its negative....
George II
Jun 2021
#194
192 posts in this thread and you decide to bring Pelosi into the discussion. I'm "deflecting"?
George II
Jun 2021
#198
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Thank you, I'm think I'm going nuts when there's evidence after evidence of ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#174