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Caliman73

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21. Thanks Hugh. Good points.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 01:53 PM
Jun 2021

Now I will systematically destroy them... Just kidding. I will address some obstacles to getting to your goals though.

1. As Will Rogers famously said, "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat." I think that Schumer and Pelosi have actually done a pretty good job keeping their caucuses together. I think Biden's platform is pretty comprehensive too. Democrats however, have always been a coalition with similar values, but sometimes very different goals and methods of getting there. The overarching unity of the Democratic Party is that we believe that government is and should be a force for good in people's lives, that government should step in to help when other natural systems can't get the job done. From there, we differ widely on exactly how that should be done, and sometimes those distinctions are just as fierce as what separates us from Republicans.

Republicans have no such ideology and no such problem with unity. Republicans used to be a wider tent. There were some who favored less social interference, some who even supported labor. Those days are gone. I think that all current Republicans to some degree or another, favor conservative ideology as intended. To maintain the current social, political, and economic hierarchy. Conservatives believe that there is a natural order to society and that the leaders (Wealthy, White, Christian Men) are at the top because they are simply better. Blessed. Ordained by God to lead. Their goal is to ensure that his hierarchy remains intact. If they can achieve that through electoral politics (they can't) then they will follow that. If they need to become anti-democratic, they will. Everyone currently serving, has that same idea to some extent or another. You see a few like Romney, Murkowsky, and Kinzinger not willing to cross certain lines, but those dissenters have slowly been weeded out of the party.

2. 100% agree on that one. Nothing really to say here. Decorum is something that you reserve for an adversary that argues in good faith. Republicans do not argue in good faith. Biden has been better than many on just naming the issue in plain English.

3. That is a tall order. Republicans like to decry everything not FOX or Newsmax, etc... as "liberal" media, and while there is a certain validity in that reporting of facts and information in a quasi objective manner is more akin to liberalism, as has been said, "Reality has a well known liberal bias". Their goal is only to make their very skewed viewpoint equal to the "liberal view point" which would likely be called the "shared reality". Obviously people with a much more left leaning ideology would disagree with my point too. I disagree myself, but liberalism has been the framework under which standards of fact and objectivity (as much as it can be stated) have been developed.

We do have wealthy people who support liberal ideas, however, they would be actively working against their self interests should they fund a true "liberal" media. I think that liberals are tending to favor the ideas of Social Democracy at this time. Higher taxes on wealth and the wealthy to provide for the rest of us. While many of the "liberal billionaires" have expressed solidarity with this, I think that asking them to fund a "propaganda machine" (because that is what right wing media is) actively working against their holding on to that wealth.

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Democrats need to do more... [View all] Caliman73 Jun 2021 OP
I'm kicking this up JustAnotherGen Jun 2021 #1
Thanks. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #7
My concerns about voting rights JustAnotherGen Jun 2021 #35
Kicked WA-03 Democrat Jun 2021 #2
Thank you! Just me, but I think Dems are doing a great job and we need to support them PortTack Jun 2021 #3
Have Patience. Omnipresent Jun 2021 #4
The real problem Pantagruel Jun 2021 #5
I actually think that "majority" does mean something and can be HUGE. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #11
I keep asking the same questions StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #6
I see JustAnotherGen Jun 2021 #9
PS JustAnotherGen Jun 2021 #8
My main things would be Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #10
These are outcomes you want to see, not action steps someone can take StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #14
Fair enough, but I never said I was a political strategist, I don't know the nitty-gritty Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #17
That's the point, though StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #20
Thanks Hugh. Good points. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #21
If you'd asked me to argue against the things I'd brought up Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #28
Also, do NOT defund organizations like ACORN wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #24
Apply more effective pressure on Senators/Representatives who get in the way. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #12
So.... CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #27
When the power imbalance is so dangerous, we can't let the bad guys hold all the weapons. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #29
You've lost the plot. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #30
Uhhh....whut? lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #31
Bribes Good. Yeah? CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #32
Sweeteners in specific districts or states are standard practice. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #33
Sometimes, imprecise language can damage a good message. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #38
Sure and I agree with that. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #39
No doubt. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #41
I think the question needs to be asked: What are YOU doing in the "need to do more"? ck4829 Jun 2021 #13
"spam honeypot email for hard-right groups." Pantagruel Jun 2021 #15
Oh certainly, easy to create, you'll want to maintain it though ck4829 Jun 2021 #19
Longing for angry populist yelling. The illusion that angry yelling and flailing arms betsuni Jun 2021 #16
Be like the goops by NOT playing nice all the time wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #18
Positive and negative ads. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #22
The goops were better than the Dems at turning out their voters wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #23
Like I said, We are motivated by different things. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #37
Thank you for this post CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #25
I keep asking these questions, too mcar Jun 2021 #26
We could challenge the 40 years of right wing memes that are false or misleading. CrispyQ Jun 2021 #34
They are actually conservative. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #36
Ruthless and single minded. Brazen. Use whatever power they have to do whatever they can Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #40
Okay. Again, what do you mean? Caliman73 Jun 2021 #42
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