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gab13by13

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8. Saying the subpoenas were legal is a half truth, is it not?

Reply to StarfishSaver (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 07:12 PM

Jun 2021

What laws are on the books that govern these subpoenas? The last set of "rules" were written under the Obama administration. It is proper to investigate leaks of classified information and for you to say the subpoenas were legal is probably correct but did they violate DOJ rules? Was there probable cause, was there information, facts that warranted a subpoena of Schiff and a subpoena of Swalwell? It appears to me that these subpoenas were fishing expeditions trying to uncover dirt on 2 of MF45's political opponents, to bring them down. Not illegal, but not following DOJ guidelines.

I do agree with you that Apple had no choice in the matter.

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Right now, federal grand juries are investigating the insurrection [View all] StarfishSaver Jun 2021 OP

TY for the reminder empedocles Jun 2021 #1

Aren't there right ways and wrong ways? Legal and illegal ways? soothsayer Jun 2021 #2

Me, too StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #3

Saying the subpoenas were legal is a half truth, is it not? gab13by13 Jun 2021 #8

Yes - the subpoenas were probably legal but improper and an abuse of power StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #13

My question is: how could they get a grand jury to do this? Jurors are that gullible? triron Jun 2021 #11

Grand juries give prosecutors very wide berth StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #14

I totally understand that it is not up to Apple or Google to decide whether the motivation was Atticus Jun 2021 #12

The grand jury subpoena was likely legal StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #16

So, we're down to an illegally obtained legal subpoena. One wonders how many of these are issued Atticus Jun 2021 #18

Your point is made, but FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #4

Custodians don't get to decide whether to comply with grand jury subpoenas StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #6

There is "predication" for both of those individuals. I am not aware of any such predication Atticus Jun 2021 #5

The custodian of the records sought has no role in assessing "predication" StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #7

You said you are a lawyer. gab13by13 Jun 2021 #9

Atticus is right StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #17

I respect your opinion, gab13by13 Jun 2021 #19

I understand that. That's why I mentioned the responsibility of those who SOUGHT Atticus Jun 2021 #10

You have more clearly asked what is bothering me. triron Jun 2021 #15

Yes and I have no problem if they let them know now, after the fact Bev54 Jun 2021 #20