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hatrack

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26. I worked my ass off through college and ended up w. minimal debt which I paid . . .

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 07:55 AM

Jun 2021

And I wouldn't resent wiping the slate at all.

Which is better, tens of millions of Americans smothered in debt that they can never, ever, ever discharge, and which will take decades to pay off, or that my sense of "fairness" be soothed and cultivated?

You know what's not fair? Apple and Amazon and FedEx and Nike and SalesForce and Duke Energy and ADM paying zero federal corporate income taxes.

You know what's not fair? An entire political party dedicated to the proposition that the same companies should never, ever have to pay taxes again.

You know what's not fair? Toxic, broken, leaking water systems in cities like Flint Michigan and Jackson Mississippi.

You know what's not fair? 100s of emergency cleanup workers getting cancer and dying after working to clean up a massive TVA coal ash spill after contractors didn't supply PPE, telling them that it was perfectly safe to spend all day working in toxic sludge.

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I'm actually in shock about how much negativity there is coming from democrats about [View all] peoli Jun 2021 OP

The cost of university has shot through the roof this generation. They applegrove Jun 2021 #1

+1. The overhead is obscene - layer upon fucking layer of vice deans and useless paper pushers dalton99a Jun 2021 #4

Because I disagree with canceling student debt by fiat SoonerPride Jun 2021 #2

I think the discussion is actually about debt relief. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #36

No, if you look at the OPs prior post, it was about Biden simply writing off all student debt by EO SoonerPride Jun 2021 #38

The OP didn't accurately describe Biden's proposal; agreed. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #40

All of which I could support. But an EO simply writing off billions is patently ridculous. SoonerPride Jun 2021 #41

Nobody ever proposed that (aside from the OP). lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #42

Right. But this thread complains about the negativity of DUers in reply to the prior post of an EO SoonerPride Jun 2021 #44

To me it's mostly a problem of messaging ... 'cancelling' is a dumb framing to use Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #3

Kind of like "defund" rather than "reform" the police elias7 Jun 2021 #10

Another good example, yes! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #12

Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness Could Wipe Out Debt for 15 Million Borrowers tirebiter Jun 2021 #5

People in poverty can easily get out of repaying a federally backed student Hoyt Jun 2021 #6

Great post and research. K&R. nt GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #8

Where is the discussion on why it is so expensive in the first place and how to fix it? MichMan Jun 2021 #7

Our federal and state governments used to understand that investing in education summer_in_TX Jun 2021 #9

Investing in colleges to make tuition way cheaper would be very popular MichMan Jun 2021 #11

It worked well for my generation (Boomer). summer_in_TX Jun 2021 #65

Good Point ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #24

Would appreciate your opinion on this article, Prof JHB Jun 2021 #27

+1. College administrators screwing the public in their quest to imitate corporate CEOs dalton99a Jun 2021 #43

See Post #50 ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #51

As fast as tuition went up, students just kept taking out bigger loans MichMan Jun 2021 #30

My Only Pushback ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #50

Well, I took out student loans and went at night after working all day MichMan Jun 2021 #52

Did You Have To Do A Cost/Benefit? ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #53

Well, I choose a high paying major and was working at slightly over min. wage at the time MichMan Jun 2021 #55

Of Course! ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #59

why not give those who paid theirs off a big fat tax credit? Grasswire2 Jun 2021 #13

Totally agree. Blue Dawn Jun 2021 #14

This x 1,000,000 peoli Jun 2021 #15

How about those who are poor, didn't go to college and are working jobs that don't provide an Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Jun 2021 #16

Sorry but that's just plain jealousy peoli Jun 2021 #17

No, plain fucking unfair! Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #58

You think people buried in student loan debt aren't also working their asses off? peoli Jun 2021 #61

Yes they are, i'm fine with them getting their loans removed and the one who paid it money back! USALiberal Jun 2021 #63

It's necessary. The younger generations are being destroyed by this economically Withywindle Jun 2021 #19

I 100% agree! Pay them also! Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #21

I worked my ass off through college and ended up w. minimal debt which I paid . . . hatrack Jun 2021 #26

:-) Lemon Lyman Jun 2021 #48

Actually, it's H.L. Mencken - short story from the 1920s hatrack Jun 2021 #49

We have to start somewhere Marrah_Goodman Jun 2021 #62

Keep in mind that different public universities have long had PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #18

This! Withywindle Jun 2021 #20

So in 5-10 years we pay off their debts again? Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #22

There are several legitimate reasons this is a bad idea dsc Jun 2021 #23

My partner is a PharmD. He's still paying off loans in his mid-40s Sympthsical Jun 2021 #25

College costs more than ten times what it cost when I was in school. yardwork Jun 2021 #28

And I'm in awe that the whole discussion isn't about.... RegularJam Jun 2021 #29

Good luck getting sympathy from the older posters here ansible Jun 2021 #31

Basically this. "Got mine." Sympthsical Jun 2021 #39

It amounts to a wealth transfer from the poor to the middle and upper class SoonerPride Jun 2021 #47

The pandemic may do good things for higher education, finally breaking Hortensis Jun 2021 #32

Agreed, it's a very selfish, conservative point of view. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2021 #33

If someone with a college degree is living in poverty, the issue goes beyond merely college debt. George II Jun 2021 #34

College debt is a real problem for many people. MineralMan Jun 2021 #35

I am all for canceling some of the debt. Marrah_Goodman Jun 2021 #37

Republicans don't have a monopoly on "I GOT MINE" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2021 #45

No shit. Some people still think college costs $2K a year or something dalton99a Jun 2021 #46

Just so we're clear, college students make well above median pay in the US. Calista241 Jun 2021 #54

Meh. BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #56

Personally, i wouldn't be adverse to limiting federal scholarships to STEM fields. Calista241 Jun 2021 #64

I think there can be legitimate debate on how to proceed with policy changes on this issue. totodeinhere Jun 2021 #57