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In reply to the discussion: The Probelm With Capitalism [View all]Silent3
(15,178 posts)36. I am not unfamilar with the historical perspective you're talking about...
...although I'm sure I haven't studied all the same things in all the same detail you have.
Some of the history I've read doesn't even use the word "capitalism,"
There's probably a good reason for that.
The claim I'm making here, that capitalism necessitated a change in property relations and that bringing those changes about required force, is not debatable.
The way you're using the word "capitalism" is debatable. I simply do not agree with talking about capitalism as if it were some external force or project or campaign that, in and of itself, necessitates anything. No one has been sitting around saying, "Well, we've almost reached capitalism, but let's grab this land over here, and change these laws over there, and exploit the shit out of this other group of people, and we'll be closer to our goal of capitalism".
People put down resistance movements because the resistance gets in the way of what they want to do and what they want to have. There have always been people who've wanted more power, more glory, more wealth, and they often have done terrible things to get what they want. But they do these things mostly (perhaps there are a few oddballs aside) in service of their own self-interest, not in service of some abstract of "capitalism" which they are trying to create or establish or impose or serve by doing these things.
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I would say that how well an owner accurately makes that sort of assessment determines whether their
Hugh_Lebowski
Jun 2021
#1
Big Corps with stocks are hogtied to making a profit for the stockholders and taking from the...
Brainfodder
Jun 2021
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The real problem with (under-regulated) capitalism is inevitable concentration of wealth
Mysterian
Jun 2021
#9
Capitalism can only work if it is tightly regulated to protect labor, consumers and the environment
ShazamIam
Jun 2021
#17
So exploiting others is natural. I disagree when the evidence shows that we advance when we
ShazamIam
Jun 2021
#23