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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
45. That's good.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 03:01 PM
Jun 2021

I am a reductionist at heart. When I look at complex systems, I consider the fundamental elements of that system. In all economic systems, the individual exchange between two people is the starting point. Everything derives from that. The more complex the thing being exchanged is, the more transactions that take place. However, the person working in the lithium mine is as crucial to the manufacture of a cell phone as is the CEO of Samsung. He is paid far, far less, though. He digs in the dirt, essentially.

Moving from an agrarian society to an industrial one introduced massive complexity that has become more and more complex over time. There are few simple transactions any longer, since almost everything involves technology today. Yes, I can still grow carrots and take them to a farmer's market and interact with my customer, even using bartering. If I choose to do that, of course. I do not so choose.

How I have made my living is through producing words for publication. That is, frankly, quite equivalent to growing carrots. I deal with one person, some editor at some publication. If my words find acceptance from that person, I get paid. So, I function, economically, on a very simple transactional basis.

However, the process of generating those words and distributing them involves a great deal of technology. I am not involved in any of that, except as a user of it. I simply use tools created by corporations to create what I write. When movable type was invented, technology became the tool that made publishing possible. Before then, individual scribes wrote books by hand. Once books were printed in larger numbers though, an entire system had to be created to manufacture and distribute those books. The writer no longer had any direct economic connection with the reader.

Complexity created capitalism. Capitalism was the most efficient way to execute all of the transactions that lead to the development and manufacture of goods. Such business practices are very costly to operate, so capitalism evolved into its own marketplace, with people investing in corporations who undertook that complex process of manufacturing. Technology cannot be simplified to an extent that allows any other economic system to function properly. We cannot demand simplicity of commerce any longer. Technology has put paid to that forever.

So, I'm not interested in your ill-considered personal attack on my reductionist argument. Within that argument is the entire explanation of why capitalism is the overwhelmingly most capable system for handling the complexity of the modern world. You dismissed me. I shrug at your dismissal.

I would say that how well an owner accurately makes that sort of assessment determines whether their Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #1
Capitalism isn't really a system Silent3 Jun 2021 #2
That's a peculiar statement. PETRUS Jun 2021 #30
You're listing a lot of acts of aggression and greed Silent3 Jun 2021 #34
... PETRUS Jun 2021 #35
I am not unfamilar with the historical perspective you're talking about... Silent3 Jun 2021 #36
I agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph. PETRUS Jun 2021 #40
I guess a bunch of words need qualification Silent3 Jun 2021 #54
Thanks for continuing the conversation. PETRUS Jun 2021 #55
Big Corps with stocks are hogtied to making a profit for the stockholders and taking from the... Brainfodder Jun 2021 #3
but it didn't use to be this way slightlv Jun 2021 #19
Thanks for your thoughtful post. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #22
I am well aware, that is why I am furious. Brainfodder Jun 2021 #25
Capitalism relies on inventiveness to solve a problem. cachukis Jun 2021 #4
What other economic system functions as well? comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #5
It can't be reformed I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2021 #6
It has to be reformed for it to continue. Adam Smith's analysis cachukis Jun 2021 #8
I never managed to finish reading The Wealth of Nations Sapient Donkey Jun 2021 #26
Appreciate the insight. Didn't finish it either. cachukis Jun 2021 #28
By the way, have you read Sapience by Harari? cachukis Jun 2021 #29
It's about power in ownership. RegularJam Jun 2021 #7
I agree slightlv Jun 2021 #20
The real problem with (under-regulated) capitalism is inevitable concentration of wealth Mysterian Jun 2021 #9
Owners? Who are the owners? MineralMan Jun 2021 #10
The question isn't really about Capitalism per se. Happy Hoosier Jun 2021 #11
Truthfully, customers and the stock market determine what owners make Hoyt Jun 2021 #12
Perhaps it's consumer wisdom versus moneymaker wile. cachukis Jun 2021 #13
I've always thought ymetca Jun 2021 #14
Humans have needs that must be met, or we die. MineralMan Jun 2021 #16
Agreed! ymetca Jun 2021 #18
That's a non-sequitur. PETRUS Jun 2021 #31
Not really Zeitghost Jun 2021 #33
No such centrally controlled system has ever succeeded for long. MineralMan Jun 2021 #38
No, I described commerce. The exchange of something valuable for MineralMan Jun 2021 #37
Huh? PETRUS Jun 2021 #41
All economic systems function on an exchange basis for transactions. MineralMan Jun 2021 #43
I don't require your interest. PETRUS Jun 2021 #44
That's good. MineralMan Jun 2021 #45
Some thoughts. PETRUS Jun 2021 #50
In Norway, it is considered KT2000 Jun 2021 #15
Capitalism can only work if it is tightly regulated to protect labor, consumers and the environment ShazamIam Jun 2021 #17
Capitalism is the balls of nature. Condoms, meh, birth control cachukis Jun 2021 #21
So exploiting others is natural. I disagree when the evidence shows that we advance when we ShazamIam Jun 2021 #23
Not saying I am fond of the capitalism within which we live, cachukis Jun 2021 #24
Owners are the most valuable members of a business. Mosby Jun 2021 #27
There are very few large enterprises that are individually-owned. MineralMan Jun 2021 #39
Employers do not set wages Zeitghost Jun 2021 #32
Republicanism is the problem with Capitalism gulliver Jun 2021 #42
This! peggysue2 Jun 2021 #48
Thank you. betsuni Jun 2021 #51
What would you replace it with? MoonRiver Jun 2021 #46
That is precisely the question, isn't it? MineralMan Jun 2021 #47
Exactly! And I still await the OP's rebut. MoonRiver Jun 2021 #49
Something about a revolution where the workers rally, speaking truth to power, billionaires are betsuni Jun 2021 #52
As a small business (law firm) owner, I think your premise is incorrect. TomSlick Jun 2021 #53
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