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In reply to the discussion: In 30 years, We've moved from being moderate Democrats to - [View all]Caliman73
(11,767 posts)43. Likely because "some party values" are not worth supporting.
Democrats used to support "nation building", not anymore. Now non-interventionism is the prevailing foreign policy approach.
With the problems in Vietnam, Central and South America, Iraq, and Afghanistan, with the military budget being so ridiculously large, and understanding that "Nation Building" is just a code word for imposition of our own ideas instead of actually helping nations to develop on their own. Some liberals do not want to be engaged in perpetual war.
Democrats (eg Howard Dean, President Carter) used to support tariffs as a way to encourage developing countries to do better by their people and the environment, not anymore. Now Democrats are free trade globalists.
Tariffs are okay in the short term, when trying to negotiate trade agreements and such, however the better solution is to have an industrial policy and sound trade agreements. Globalism is inevitable but that doesn't mean that you race to the bottom. Tariffs are not effective long term strategies for changing behavior, they have been meant primarily to protect domestic industries. Regulated free trade where people are not being exploited is the better strategy.
Democrats used to support free speech. Now some want to criminalize speech, and jail people under hate speech laws.
Simply not true. No one has ever supported absolute free speech. Objectionable views have been tolerated (I.E. Nazis marching in Skokie) however both conservatives and liberals have had their limits. Hate speech which terrorizes already vulnerable populations is not acceptable in a civilized nation. Also, the United States does not have "hate speech laws" so that is a moot point. There is a MAJOR difference between supporting social and financial consequences, or de-platforming people and making laws to criminalize speech.
Democrats used to support liberal pluralism, now it's slowly being supplanted by identity politics.
Democrats continue to support pluralism. Differing opinions and power centers in political systems IS pluralism. Talking about "identity politics" is buying into right wing framing. There have ALWAYS been identity politics, however the identity that was most represented in politics (and still is) is White Men. When you are the dominant majority and your particular view point has always been "the norm", then any other view point that demands respect, would likely seem like oppression. You see that with Christians whining about religious oppression too. Non-White people and women have been treated like 2nd class citizens in the United States for almost all of its history. LGBTQ people have been marginalized legally and socially. These groups coming out into the open and demanding full and equal respect is not Identity Politics. If the laws, systems, and society treated these groups equally, there would be no need to identify them and make those demands.
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Yup. I think that what the cause for the largest shift for the Republican party from back then to
cstanleytech
Jun 2021
#52
You're not "disagreeing", kpete didn't say anything about you, it was about kpete and "mr pete".
Towlie
Jun 2021
#8
Meanwhile Republicans who still view themselves as "moderate" have become a party of radical
sop
Jun 2021
#4
If it were not so early in the morning, I could come up with a better post but,
Ferrets are Cool
Jun 2021
#5
Yep. Though I admit I might a bit further to the left. At least when it comes
PatrickforB
Jun 2021
#6
"god" help you if you have some left, some centrist, and some conservative positions
The Mouth
Jun 2021
#29
Because there's no opposition party, only a radical far-right post-policy conspiracy theory
betsuni
Jun 2021
#16
a post basically describing what hate radio did and you are the first and only one
certainot
Jun 2021
#66
Don't forget about our clandestine pizza parlors and our hurling soup cans at Rethugs.
KY_EnviroGuy
Jun 2021
#49
Same. Seems to be accelerating for me! I want substantive change. Welcome to DU
Evolve Dammit
Jun 2021
#56
This is so spot on. Nixon, Reagan or Bush wouldn't make it out of a primary.
Evolve Dammit
Jun 2021
#55
Yet all 3 of them step by step led the GOP inexorably to where they are now.
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2021
#58
indeed. They plan well, spend well, and are patient behind the scenes. Dark money, dark people.
Evolve Dammit
Jun 2021
#61
Of course, the typical Republican knows as much about actual socialism
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jun 2021
#65