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PoindexterOglethorpe

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20. Several things to keep in mind.
Mon Jun 21, 2021, 08:08 PM
Jun 2021

Covid is no doubt here to stay. And while I don't want to seem to be dismissive of it, in reality, it's simply not all that fatal. And as bad as it can be, people are just not dying in numbers that are greater than births.

Yes, each and every death is a tragedy and might have been prevented, but the population overall is totally unaffected by this.

Heck, even the 1918 flu epidemic did not noticeably decrease overall population.

What really matters is not so much herd as individual immunity. We all have our own unique individual immune system. Some of us get sick with every little thing, others (like me) simply never get sick at all. Along with those individual differences, there are people with some sort of compromised immune system. To be frank, a lot of people are alive these days, especially in first world countries, who would not have been around a hundred years ago. The very hard question we need to ask is: do we continue to protect and keep alive everyone possible?

Another thing that's connected to this. A lot of people think it's fantastic that there were very few cases of cold or influenza this past year mainly because of wearing masks. And so they think continued mask wearing is the way to go. However, our immune system really is designed to be challenged with all sorts of things, fight them off, and get stronger. If we keep young children from being exposed to stuff, they are going to be in serious trouble as young adults. They'll have almost no working immune system and that's not good.

Read John M. Barry's The Great Influenza . Among the things he talks about is how these young men from the farms of Kansas, who'd never been more than ten miles from home, who'd never interacted with more than 50 people in their entire lives, who'd simply never gotten the then normal childhood diseases, were now put into army training camps, housed in cramped quarters with hundreds, sometimes thousands of other young men from similar situations. Surprise, surprise. They got sick in vast numbers and lots of them died. And then the Great Influenza struck.

Being exposed to stuff is, in the long run, highly beneficial.

I NEVER Thought Herd Immunity Was A Possibility SoCalDavidS Jun 2021 #1
I got wrapped up in the idea of herd immunity. RegularJam Jun 2021 #2
Most people misunderstand herd immunity anyway... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #3
Love the content of your post. RegularJam Jun 2021 #4
Herd immunity doesn't mean that nobody gets sick... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #5
I think we are a bit far off on the flu. RegularJam Jun 2021 #8
That's not what herd immunity means. Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #36
If masks stopped the colds/flu, why didn't they also stop COVID-19 transmissions Yavin4 Jun 2021 #10
Because COVID 19 is even more transmissible than influenza and colds. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #14
More to the point, a lot of people were casual at best about wearing masks. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #16
That, too - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #19
Casual mask wearing is, in itself, an argument against masks as an effective weapon against COVID. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #27
So masks are not as effective as everyone assumes, right? Yavin4 Jun 2021 #26
The means of transmission is not identical - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #29
"when masks are properly fitted and consistently worn" Yavin4 Jun 2021 #31
We obviously aren't willing to do that. Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #32
Because it is more contagious. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #45
I agree about the "Macho" thing, but it also has to come from work culture. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #11
I cannot argue that at all. It has to be both sides, employer and employee... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #12
we will eventually get to "herd immunity" lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #13
The unvaccinated are not going to die in large numbers. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #21
I can always hope, no? lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #23
And you can believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #42
Probably a large percentage of the unvaccinated have natural antibodies by now womanofthehills Jun 2021 #30
natural immunity and acquired immunity have been shown to lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #35
Natural immunity is also a thing. Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #6
It doesn't apply here. RegularJam Jun 2021 #7
Please explain how. Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #9
No flame here. I've gotten the regular flu vaccine every year now for many years. I abqtommy Jun 2021 #15
If herd immunity was possible, wouldn't it have happened with the flu years ago... brush Jun 2021 #17
No, because influenza mutates readily and steadily. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #22
And all these covid variants aren't mutations? We'll probably get yearly covid shots... brush Jun 2021 #24
They are mutations. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #37
I said all along that herd immunity doesn't happen with the flu. brush Jun 2021 #50
What happened in Sweden with their health minister's herd immunity strategy... brush Jun 2021 #25
Sweden's death per million has them PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #38
But you can't discount they are healthier than us. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #46
Good points. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #52
Me to. Or getting there thanks to covid. I've lost 35lbs in the last 14 months. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #55
Good for you for losing the weight. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #56
At 190 I have no belly. I have not been 160 since I was 16. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #57
Sounds like you are paying careful attention to your body. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #59
Unfortunately my body likes beer and bourbon. I've cut out the bourbon. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #62
Why is every other year preferable to annually? n/t moonscape Jun 2021 #39
Apparently there's a peak in immunity given by a vaccine. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #43
Interesting. Since each year the vaccine is for a moonscape Jun 2021 #44
I and you need to do a bit more research. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #51
We're peers. I was never a germaphobe and just moonscape Jun 2021 #60
I am absolutely not a germaphobe. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #63
I suspect we will be getting boosters - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #18
Several things to keep in mind. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #20
That's very interesting. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #28
Yes. Overprotecting kids has a downside. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #40
Yes, exactly! What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #48
Intersting. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #54
I am so sorry to hear about your son, Poindexter. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #64
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #65
Thank you for sharing that with me. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #69
You are correct. 3rd world folks have very few allergies. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #47
It's interesting, isn't it? smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #49
The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #53
I worry about you. Even though they are expensive, you should have those EpiPens just smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #58
I don't think the risk is that high. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #61
I know, but it's just the of the idea of the thing. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #68
The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #66
Globally, COVID-19 has killed 3.6 million people which is probably below the rate of death from... Yavin4 Jun 2021 #33
50-80 million out of 1.5 billion was a noticeable decrease. roamer65 Jun 2021 #34
And it promptly increased the next year. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #41
No flames from me. argyl Jun 2021 #67
Woke up this morning and read all of the replies. RegularJam Jun 2021 #70
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