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PoindexterOglethorpe

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40. Yes. Overprotecting kids has a downside.
Mon Jun 21, 2021, 10:51 PM
Jun 2021

Polio is more or less a disease of affluence. From various things I've read, children in the past or in third world countries were exposed to lots of things that gave them immunity to polio. In first world countries, those exposures didn't happen, hence polio outbreaks.

There's also a lot of evidence that kids who grow up with dogs and other animals wind up with far fewer allergies than those kids not so exposed.

You are absolutely right that those kinds of exposure make people far more resistant. Here's my own history: I'm a middle child of six kids. From age 2 to 7 we lived in a low income housing project, surrounded by lots and lots of other kids. I was sick a lot in my early years, through kindergarten. My first grade year, I was only sick one day. After that, aside from finally completing the childhood diseases of the time (measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox) and occasional influenza, including the Asian Flu of 1957, I wasn't sick all that often. At least not by the standards of the time. Over the years I got my share of colds and various other unnamed, undiagnosed diseases. I'm now 72. For at least 20 years I have almost never been sick. I'm sure it's because I've been exposed to most of what is out there, and so am immune. I have gotten the recent two-shot shingles vaccine, and the J&J one and done Covid vaccine.

But back to your question. There is a lot of evidence that overprotecting kids is not the right thing to do. Those people who are pleased that this past season went with almost no colds or flu, and so they should continue masking, simply don't understand the immune system and how it works. It's designed to be challenged with lots of stuff so that it gets strong. If that challenge is circumvented, the immune system simply won't be as strong.

There's actually a lot to be said about survival of the strongest.


I NEVER Thought Herd Immunity Was A Possibility SoCalDavidS Jun 2021 #1
I got wrapped up in the idea of herd immunity. RegularJam Jun 2021 #2
Most people misunderstand herd immunity anyway... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #3
Love the content of your post. RegularJam Jun 2021 #4
Herd immunity doesn't mean that nobody gets sick... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #5
I think we are a bit far off on the flu. RegularJam Jun 2021 #8
That's not what herd immunity means. Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #36
If masks stopped the colds/flu, why didn't they also stop COVID-19 transmissions Yavin4 Jun 2021 #10
Because COVID 19 is even more transmissible than influenza and colds. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #14
More to the point, a lot of people were casual at best about wearing masks. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #16
That, too - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #19
Casual mask wearing is, in itself, an argument against masks as an effective weapon against COVID. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #27
So masks are not as effective as everyone assumes, right? Yavin4 Jun 2021 #26
The means of transmission is not identical - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #29
"when masks are properly fitted and consistently worn" Yavin4 Jun 2021 #31
We obviously aren't willing to do that. Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #32
Because it is more contagious. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #45
I agree about the "Macho" thing, but it also has to come from work culture. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #11
I cannot argue that at all. It has to be both sides, employer and employee... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #12
we will eventually get to "herd immunity" lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #13
The unvaccinated are not going to die in large numbers. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #21
I can always hope, no? lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #23
And you can believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #42
Probably a large percentage of the unvaccinated have natural antibodies by now womanofthehills Jun 2021 #30
natural immunity and acquired immunity have been shown to lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #35
Natural immunity is also a thing. Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #6
It doesn't apply here. RegularJam Jun 2021 #7
Please explain how. Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #9
No flame here. I've gotten the regular flu vaccine every year now for many years. I abqtommy Jun 2021 #15
If herd immunity was possible, wouldn't it have happened with the flu years ago... brush Jun 2021 #17
No, because influenza mutates readily and steadily. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #22
And all these covid variants aren't mutations? We'll probably get yearly covid shots... brush Jun 2021 #24
They are mutations. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #37
I said all along that herd immunity doesn't happen with the flu. brush Jun 2021 #50
What happened in Sweden with their health minister's herd immunity strategy... brush Jun 2021 #25
Sweden's death per million has them PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #38
But you can't discount they are healthier than us. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #46
Good points. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #52
Me to. Or getting there thanks to covid. I've lost 35lbs in the last 14 months. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #55
Good for you for losing the weight. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #56
At 190 I have no belly. I have not been 160 since I was 16. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #57
Sounds like you are paying careful attention to your body. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #59
Unfortunately my body likes beer and bourbon. I've cut out the bourbon. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #62
Why is every other year preferable to annually? n/t moonscape Jun 2021 #39
Apparently there's a peak in immunity given by a vaccine. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #43
Interesting. Since each year the vaccine is for a moonscape Jun 2021 #44
I and you need to do a bit more research. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #51
We're peers. I was never a germaphobe and just moonscape Jun 2021 #60
I am absolutely not a germaphobe. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #63
I suspect we will be getting boosters - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #18
Several things to keep in mind. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #20
That's very interesting. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #28
Yes. Overprotecting kids has a downside. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #40
Yes, exactly! What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #48
Intersting. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #54
I am so sorry to hear about your son, Poindexter. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #64
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #65
Thank you for sharing that with me. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #69
You are correct. 3rd world folks have very few allergies. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #47
It's interesting, isn't it? smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #49
The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #53
I worry about you. Even though they are expensive, you should have those EpiPens just smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #58
I don't think the risk is that high. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #61
I know, but it's just the of the idea of the thing. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #68
The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #66
Globally, COVID-19 has killed 3.6 million people which is probably below the rate of death from... Yavin4 Jun 2021 #33
50-80 million out of 1.5 billion was a noticeable decrease. roamer65 Jun 2021 #34
And it promptly increased the next year. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #41
No flames from me. argyl Jun 2021 #67
Woke up this morning and read all of the replies. RegularJam Jun 2021 #70
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