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PoindexterOglethorpe

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66. The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second.
Tue Jun 22, 2021, 02:51 AM
Jun 2021

That is so true. One thing that bothers me about people thinking that because masks more or less eliminated colds and flu this past winter, is that we should continue masking, is to what extent they do not understand how immunity works.

We absolutely need to be exposed to stuff. And honestly, if people die because their immune systems can't handle the stuff, well take a deep breath and realize that's how it needs to be. And while adult onset seafood allergy is disconcerting at the least, and fatal at the worst, at least those people who get it will have reproduced by that point.

I grew up mostly out in the countryside, in farming country in northern New York State. We did not farm ourselves, but we were surrounded by farms. We did have dogs and cats and spent a lot of time roaming outdoors. That, along with my earlier childhood spent in a low income housing development with lots and lots of snotty-nosed kids, helped. I got sick a lot until I was about six, and after that, other than whatever childhood diseases I hadn't yet had, and several bouts of influenza, I was never sick. Well, okay, I got the usual rounds of colds. But the last time I got flu was some time in the early 1970s, and I have sufficient faith in my incredible, extraordinary immune system, that I simply don't get flu shots. Which is not to suggest that any reading this who prefers to get them should change their policy.

Oh, and I've had maybe three colds in the past ten years. If that many.

Perhaps more to the point, each and every one of us has a different, individual, specific immune system. That should be glaringly obvious by the vastly different outcomes of those who've gotten the Covid 19, as well as the very different responses to the vaccines. I happened to get the J&J one and done, and had zero reaction to it. Others have had completely different reactions, especially to a second vaccine. I honestly think those differences are just different immune system reactions, not that one is better than another.

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I NEVER Thought Herd Immunity Was A Possibility SoCalDavidS Jun 2021 #1
I got wrapped up in the idea of herd immunity. RegularJam Jun 2021 #2
Most people misunderstand herd immunity anyway... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #3
Love the content of your post. RegularJam Jun 2021 #4
Herd immunity doesn't mean that nobody gets sick... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #5
I think we are a bit far off on the flu. RegularJam Jun 2021 #8
That's not what herd immunity means. Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #36
If masks stopped the colds/flu, why didn't they also stop COVID-19 transmissions Yavin4 Jun 2021 #10
Because COVID 19 is even more transmissible than influenza and colds. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #14
More to the point, a lot of people were casual at best about wearing masks. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #16
That, too - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #19
Casual mask wearing is, in itself, an argument against masks as an effective weapon against COVID. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #27
So masks are not as effective as everyone assumes, right? Yavin4 Jun 2021 #26
The means of transmission is not identical - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #29
"when masks are properly fitted and consistently worn" Yavin4 Jun 2021 #31
We obviously aren't willing to do that. Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #32
Because it is more contagious. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #45
I agree about the "Macho" thing, but it also has to come from work culture. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #11
I cannot argue that at all. It has to be both sides, employer and employee... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #12
we will eventually get to "herd immunity" lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #13
The unvaccinated are not going to die in large numbers. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #21
I can always hope, no? lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #23
And you can believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #42
Probably a large percentage of the unvaccinated have natural antibodies by now womanofthehills Jun 2021 #30
natural immunity and acquired immunity have been shown to lapfog_1 Jun 2021 #35
Natural immunity is also a thing. Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #6
It doesn't apply here. RegularJam Jun 2021 #7
Please explain how. Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #9
No flame here. I've gotten the regular flu vaccine every year now for many years. I abqtommy Jun 2021 #15
If herd immunity was possible, wouldn't it have happened with the flu years ago... brush Jun 2021 #17
No, because influenza mutates readily and steadily. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #22
And all these covid variants aren't mutations? We'll probably get yearly covid shots... brush Jun 2021 #24
They are mutations. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #37
I said all along that herd immunity doesn't happen with the flu. brush Jun 2021 #50
What happened in Sweden with their health minister's herd immunity strategy... brush Jun 2021 #25
Sweden's death per million has them PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #38
But you can't discount they are healthier than us. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #46
Good points. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #52
Me to. Or getting there thanks to covid. I've lost 35lbs in the last 14 months. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #55
Good for you for losing the weight. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #56
At 190 I have no belly. I have not been 160 since I was 16. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #57
Sounds like you are paying careful attention to your body. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #59
Unfortunately my body likes beer and bourbon. I've cut out the bourbon. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #62
Why is every other year preferable to annually? n/t moonscape Jun 2021 #39
Apparently there's a peak in immunity given by a vaccine. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #43
Interesting. Since each year the vaccine is for a moonscape Jun 2021 #44
I and you need to do a bit more research. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #51
We're peers. I was never a germaphobe and just moonscape Jun 2021 #60
I am absolutely not a germaphobe. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #63
I suspect we will be getting boosters - Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #18
Several things to keep in mind. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #20
That's very interesting. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #28
Yes. Overprotecting kids has a downside. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #40
Yes, exactly! What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #48
Intersting. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #54
I am so sorry to hear about your son, Poindexter. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #64
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #65
Thank you for sharing that with me. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #69
You are correct. 3rd world folks have very few allergies. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #47
It's interesting, isn't it? smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #49
The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #53
I worry about you. Even though they are expensive, you should have those EpiPens just smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #58
I don't think the risk is that high. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #61
I know, but it's just the of the idea of the thing. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #68
The worst thing you can do for your kid is keep them too clean every second. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #66
Globally, COVID-19 has killed 3.6 million people which is probably below the rate of death from... Yavin4 Jun 2021 #33
50-80 million out of 1.5 billion was a noticeable decrease. roamer65 Jun 2021 #34
And it promptly increased the next year. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #41
No flames from me. argyl Jun 2021 #67
Woke up this morning and read all of the replies. RegularJam Jun 2021 #70
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