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ancianita

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76. I agree with you up to the last four sentences.
Wed Jun 23, 2021, 01:28 PM
Jun 2021

There is no "we" who decided to increase tuitions many times higher than rates of inflation over the last 35 years. Soaring college costs were not decided by us, but by those who wanted to make college harder to afford in order to lessen any competition their own kids might experience with the other classes of America's young. Merit kept being pushed, but legacy admissions still lived on. Most of us didn't see it happening, but high school teachers and counselors did.

Colleges are where the wealthy's influence act as gatekeepers to knowledge. They sold us on the idea that we could all be like Bill Gates even as they made sure we couldn't get easy access a 'higher' education.

The result: only 25% of Americans have college degrees, and 30% have some college -- the associates degree, which is really a review of high school subjects, not rigorous concentration on a 'major'; the original design of the first two years was to help the young "find" a knowledge avocation to study in depth, it was not to make the claim that someone had "some college."

That means that 70% can be convinced of all manner of "justifications" for not going to college, along with all the rhetorical tricks and traps used in presenting them a lot of other "issues". Which is exactly the way wealthy elites like it -- inure Americans to the economic and information "free market" they "deserve," without their knowing what they've missed. Blame the victims; tell them "life is choices," and their lives are exactly what they've "chosen." It's all lies.

No, a college degree is never a degree in moral growth, but it does give exposure to understanding related disciplines' areas of ethics, and the basis of goodness outside religious dogma.

As my non-college parents from different parts of the country always told me, "It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." The problem is that most people can't tell when that holds true. Like Bob Marley once said, "Some people feel the rain. Some people just get wet."

Colleges and universities build into their design the knowledge that 18 year olds need guidance.

Anyone with a sympathy for intelligence should feel okay with going to college at any time in life. It's time and money that's never wasted; it's an important investment.

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Jesus Christ, Democrats, please at least once try to present a united front Walleye Jun 2021 #1
she didnt have him executed. relax. mopinko Jun 2021 #2
I understand, I'm sure she's doing the right thing as far as the loans. Wish she didn't Walleye Jun 2021 #4
The MEDIA took a fact and made it into GQP propaganda (IOW: knuckle dragger red meat). jaxexpat Jun 2021 #10
Yes, Sen Warren knows exactly what she's doing and why KS Toronado Jun 2021 #15
Not Sure modrepub Jun 2021 #3
Isn't the problem that people are willing to pay a lot for certain schools ? JI7 Jun 2021 #5
That's Part of It modrepub Jun 2021 #8
Another thing is that many aren't focusing on the education itself but it's more about the JI7 Jun 2021 #18
Due to Demographics modrepub Jun 2021 #66
It might seem that way, and that's the popular view. But on closer inspection there really are ancianita Jun 2021 #22
I Can Agree With You modrepub Jun 2021 #68
I agree with you up to the last four sentences. ancianita Jun 2021 #76
Here's a thought new to me HariSeldon Jun 2021 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2021 #6
Neither Manchin nor Sinema have held up or voted against any of Biden's nominees. George II Jun 2021 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2021 #20
*Neera Tanden enters the chat* wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #63
I don't know why, but she's the one who was publicly castigated over personal matters.... George II Jun 2021 #64
"Neither Manchin nor Sinema have held up or voted against any of Biden's nominees" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #67
Because the Chair of the Budget Committee was going to block her nomination to proceed. George II Jun 2021 #74
Awesome! There's no success that the democrats can't fuck up or fail to take advantage of. Rabrrrrrr Jun 2021 #7
It's not eating. It's making the legislation better. ancianita Jun 2021 #23
Legislation isn't the issue, blocking one of Biden's nominees is the issue. That nominee.... George II Jun 2021 #65
How much of the high cost of a college education KS Toronado Jun 2021 #11
At this point, we need athletics out of school. Crowman2009 Jun 2021 #12
Football isn't the only sport in colleges Walleye Jun 2021 #14
I'm sure that's a factor. In a now infamous press conference by Connecticut's coach Calhoun.... George II Jun 2021 #16
This is ridiculous StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #17
+1 George II Jun 2021 #19
-1 You are ALL missing the issue she is addressing.... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #26
Not missing the point at all StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #31
Kvaal not answering the questions is the issue.... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #37
+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #27
Sanders, Warren, Manchin, Sinema left-of-center2012 Jun 2021 #21
FiveThirtyEight has compiled a list and assessment of all Senators w/respect to them voting WITH.... George II Jun 2021 #24
Too bad Tanden never got a vote n/t wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #70
Correct. She was being blocked (in the press, no less) and the Chair of the Budget Committee.... George II Jun 2021 #72
Bring up evidence that Sanders wouldn't vote for her wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #80
Nah, if I did you'd just move on to your next demand. I'm getting off this carousel, until next time George II Jun 2021 #81
Don't bother, I'll bring up the evidence for you wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #82
Thanks so much for proving my point. I truly appreciate that. There was no point in holding.... George II Jun 2021 #88
Someone had to do the one job wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #90
Why hold a hearing when the chair of the other committee cancelled his hearing and stated bluntly... George II Jun 2021 #91
Why cancel a meeting? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #92
Why can't she be like Manchin, who has a 100% voting record in support of Biden? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #25
Manchin hasn't held up or voted against a single Biden nominee. The conversation can still.... George II Jun 2021 #29
Let's see where Manchin stands when infrastructure comes to a vote via reconciliation Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #45
But people have already been bashing him for weeks for his "vote" that hasn't even taken place yet.. George II Jun 2021 #49
You brought up Warren and Sanders voting record in this thread before I replied Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #50
Sorry, someone else brought up the four names, not you. I'll edit that out. Fact remains.... George II Jun 2021 #53
Seriously, this was only 4 months ago wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #71
He opposed her nomination but he didn't BLOCK it. On the other hand the Chair.... George II Jun 2021 #73
The rest of us know how to search news archives wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #79
This is on Kvaal to resolve, not Warren...... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #28
So Warren alone gets to dictate who Biden can appoint? Student debt didn't just show up.... George II Jun 2021 #30
lol - the senate has the constitutional authority of confirmation and advise/consent.... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #32
The SENATE has the duty to advise and consent StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #35
she is a committee chair.... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #38
No, it doesn't StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #42
But ONE Senator can block a vote with an objection.... George II Jun 2021 #36
who said politics wasn't messy? getagrip_already Jun 2021 #41
More from the article: George II Jun 2021 #46
But what's not clear is, has she asked him those questions privately or only in the press? Nobody... George II Jun 2021 #60
You must have been in a coma to have missed Warren's opposition to, and confrontation of Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #48
A coma? Sweet. Did she block DeVos' nomination? George II Jun 2021 #59
No StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #33
It's how the senate works.... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #34
The SENATE has a duty to advise and consent StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #39
I disagree... she wants answers he hasn't provided... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #44
I would have thought by now DFW Jun 2021 #40
Maybe, like calling him up and having a meeting with him to discuss? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #43
just let it play out...... getagrip_already Jun 2021 #47
And yet this just give republicans another chance, correct or not, to say "Democrats in disarray". George II Jun 2021 #54
Like, for example! I have the same problem. DFW Jun 2021 #75
She's right to make sure loan reform happens. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #51
Good. Glad to see Warren stepping up and exerting a little muscle for good instead Autumn Jun 2021 #52
She shouldn't be doing it publicly in the media. THAT is the issue, not that she's "stepping up". George II Jun 2021 #55
That's politics George, THAT'S how it goes. I can't count the times I have seen Senators Autumn Jun 2021 #56
That's NOT "how it goes", Autumn, at least for most politicians and officeholders anyway.... George II Jun 2021 #58
Maybe pay attention George. That is exactly how it goes. You know like Manchin has done. Autumn Jun 2021 #61
I AM paying attention, Autumn. Senator Warren "is impeding the confirmation of James Kvaal..." George II Jun 2021 #62
No you aren't. Read this and then try selling me what your selling George, of course I Autumn Jun 2021 #78
I'm not "selling" anything, Autumn. This is a political discussion website..... George II Jun 2021 #87
I'm pretty sure that if it were another senator Bettie Jun 2021 #69
Right. Manchin always does the right thing, for the small amount of WV people that vote for him. Autumn Jun 2021 #77
The "small amount of WV people that vote for him" was 290,000 in his last election..... George II Jun 2021 #85
Warren's career has been focused on protection consumers from myriad predators dlk Jun 2021 #57
I disagree. I think Warren is making a mistake. There is very little that can be done about Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #86
Good, we need those assurances. Marrah_Goodman Jun 2021 #83
Not appropriate treestar Jun 2021 #84
Good for her. Fight tough. nt Doremus Jun 2021 #89
I'm ok with assurances. denbot Jun 2021 #93
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