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In reply to the discussion: BOOM!! Inadequate Dem Brand is what hurt *NOT* Defund Police!! 2nd Dem 2020 Report to say so. [View all]
George II
(67,782 posts)178. It was some (few but prominent) Democrats who created the slogan and then defended it.....
I won't give the actual quote but you can see it in this link and the article:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding
Then the republicans grabbed and ran with it. This hurt us a lot in the November elections and I'm sure lost us a few seats.
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BOOM!! Inadequate Dem Brand is what hurt *NOT* Defund Police!! 2nd Dem 2020 Report to say so. [View all]
uponit7771
Jun 2021
OP
I think the difference is that republican voters will vote for republicans regardless...
George II
Jun 2021
#184
It was some (few but prominent) Democrats who created the slogan and then defended it.....
George II
Jun 2021
#178
I respect Obama and Clyburn but facts matter. This is the 2nd 2020 report basically saying ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#6
+1, it does work VERY VERY well and we need to respond to them faster. In the 2nd report on
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#57
So will you condemn Nina and this Mike idiot for their disrespect of Rep. Clyburn?
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#252
You are correct and it is clear that in real campaigns, this slogan does not work
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#137
Oh, please Jeff. We've "known each other for years" Don't put words in my or anyone elses' mouth
hlthe2b
Jun 2021
#187
Its the perfect slogan for the sentiment the DNC needs better branding and GQP can't use ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#7
In political context its what you stand for and how you want to be viewed. In 2008 down ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#54
Yes, in 2008 we had one in 2016 and 20 we didn't and the guy at the top of the ticket in 2020
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#114
Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#234
Do you tire of being wrong? Here is real exit polling that proves that you are wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#139
+1, enough to blame down ballot losses on it vs the facts that say the opposite.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#46
Why do you continue to insult and defame real democrats who had the courage to run for office?
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#140
Why are you misrepresenting the facts? Neither the autopsy nor the exit polling back your lies
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#253
+1, if we would've had ... ANY SLOGAN ... in 2020 it would've worked but we didn't have
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#109
It's an excellent slogan. Republicans used it heavily, to their great advantage.
lagomorph777
Jun 2021
#66
THANK YOU !!! I'm going crazy here thinking this isn't getting through. I'll update my OP with this
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#91
Its not both, this is the second report out saying dems didn't message or brand themselves
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#9
It became part of dem brand due to wrong response not because DTP was effective. Page 30
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#90
Got it, "The lack of proper marketing let the other side slap a bunker sticker on our cars."
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#98
RIGHT !!! I'm thinking the defanging them it to attack them on the economy and how horrible
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#107
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#141
There's no proof it didn't help us, matter of fact some dem candidates in the report said they
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#19
Disagree, my last sentence is plain; we didn't turn out vote GQP did. That's not a fault of
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#37
Dem branding in both reports is stated as the prevalent issue. Without the branding DTP was able
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#12
Nothing in either report supports the "hindering" conclusion with polling. Bottom line we didn't
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#32
"There is no "defining FIRST" ... " Yes there is, you think someone can now define Ronald ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#45
You're missing that the branding for the next election is already well under way
FBaggins
Jun 2021
#64
House passes George Floyd Act as Democrats avoid 'defund the police' clash
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#254
Facts matter, false cudgels don't work were there's strong branding and good messaging.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#17
No I'm not arguing that, the reports are. The plainly say dems had weak branding and a message...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#24
I think the reports speak for themselves, they're pretty clear. We didn't have a brand or a message
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#28
The second report addresses this very fact that Biden had a strong brand already so ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#33
Correct, the problem is in 2020 for down ballot candidates there was no message shaped ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#95
RIGHT !!! We can have quick hard response and attack lines not sit back and let "Biden Hates
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#94
It's not our slogan. We can't control activists anymore than we can cointrol rightwing nut jobs.
KPN
Jun 2021
#85
The idea on improving branding and messaging is to have one, in 2020 we didn't and voters
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#97
The article cited by the OP does not support the claims made by the OP
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#197
+1, ... while contrasting the GQP record. I don't mind stating GQP is bad but we need to state...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#16
From your own post "Skopov nonetheless endured relentless claims that she supported "defunding" ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#165
Read the material again or have someone read the material and explain it to you
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#198
Disagree, cudgels don't work if branding is strong and message is prevalent. There are multiple
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#14
Dems didn't come up with DTP that's GQP branding that affects that conclusion and ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#20
"When we didn't run away from it," then we agree in part ... our RESPONSE to this cudgel ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#27
WE AGREE !! Or even owning it or parts of it like the AZ candidate did here recently and like ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#34
I don't, I used to work for 1 of the big search sites so I know how to heat map and what words
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#99
LOL !! Same but integration architect, I'm married to a marketing guru so after 20 years I somewhat
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#120
Once again you make it very clear that you have never worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#145
This is why DTP needed a response and not be ignored by 1 too many down ballot candidates in
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#47
The "problem" with Dem messaging is that we're up against right-wing talk radio, Fox lies, and
SharonClark
Jun 2021
#51
+1, their infrastructure is 100% more effective than what we have but we still have outlets ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#60
You're fact biased, I don't think most humans are initially. Do you remember the poster for down ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#62
There are plenty of concrete ideas of how to do it and, just follow the GQP path for the last
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#100
Attacking good Democratic candidates who lost due to this slogan is offensive and wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#147
Defund the police coupled with the continued rioting in Portland and the lack of response...
kentuck
Jun 2021
#55
both reports basically say it was dem LACK of response to "we'll take away police" vs the efficacy
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#61
The 3 polls say different, it wasn't the efficacy of the slogan it was the lack of Dem response
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#101
+1, the 1 bend the 2 reports recognize was turn out of GQP not a true game changer for ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#103
Democrats ... WERE ... able to counter DTP attacks but didn't. Page 30 of 2nd report ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#104
Really ?! 2 different reports saying basically the same thing is a sleeper?
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#110
+1, "But because Biden already had a built up image as a moderate, he could do just that."
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#105
The 2 reports basically have dems not bringing out there base due to lack of branding and ....
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#108
Fixed, "From the 2 reports it was lack of branding / messaging was the game changer not DTP"
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#127
They already did, Google ... "Biden Hates Beef". They're going to run with it or CRT ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#121
You don't get it. "Biden hates beef" doesn't work outside of the cult, as for CRT
themaguffin
Jun 2021
#130
We agree it doesn't work outside his cult and neither did defund the police as the reports say
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#131
Defund the police worked great outside of the cult. That is why it was a problem.
cinematicdiversions
Jun 2021
#183
There's no data indicating DTP was a game changer on getting out dem votes, it wasn't.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#188
Two reports are saying it wasn't DTP that hurt dems but lack of branding and messaging. Dems
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#132
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#148
Easy, in 08 dems had a poster with a word that even REPUBLICANS tried to ascribe to late in the
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#168
I agree, the poster was great branding and association and to this day is part of pop culture ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#173
We need messaging for these groups too IMHO, we can't homogenize our messaging so much
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#176
+1, DCCC leadership has changed to Maloney, he has the data staring him in the face...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#162
+1, we need it !!! The thing about blaming DTP for down ballot losses is its lets dem bad messaging
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#235
True, I think it was the 2nd report that outlines dem messaging is too left brain (logical etc) vs..
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#169
Yes, the myth that the majority of Americans are just like them but don't know it yet.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#155
...and there are too many people vested in lazy thinking of allowing GQP to define us with lies
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#157
Ignore even your own data but accept anecdotes ?! REALLY ?! Come on man, we're
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#205
Why is this ignorant slogan so important to you-you are wrong in your claims
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#209
Its not, reality is important the reality is DTP wasn't a game changer as much as vagueness
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#211
Why are you attacking real Democrats who ran and lost due to this slogan?
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#213
Do you ever tire of being wrong? I am amused at how you are never right on any issue
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#241
Multiple polling and reports are saying "nope, that wasn't the problem" and the reaction
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#174
"...So why help them by continuing to use this stupid slogan?..." Come on ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#186
The celebratory cheer is the confirming report that we were too vague down ballot. I'm MORE vested
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#196
Your data is outdated, you've been told this before why continue to push invalid data? tia
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#206
Hope and change was vague to politicos but was golden for non political people. Messaging and Brandi
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#158
Build back better. Same as always with Democrats, together. Stronger together. FDR.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#163
DTP came from protesters we can't control, we can control our own brandy though...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#160
No, we can try but we can't really control it. We thought we controlled branding
pnwmom
Jun 2021
#199
Correct, dem branding and messaging needs to be better. That's the long and short of the article
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#210
Hillary's slogan was "Stronger together." How is that less "vague" than Make America Great Again"?nt
pnwmom
Jun 2021
#216
2020 2nd report delineate the top of the ticket from the down ballots so I'm thinking top of the ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#221
WOW !! Now you're pushing bullshit from Foxnews ?!!? They're they ones claiming the squad
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#217
The faithful will argue to the death that defund the police is what hurt the party. I agree
Autumn
Jun 2021
#181
The article cited in the OP does NOT support the claims made by the OP
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#201
The quotes in the OP are from the article, your arguments so weak you gotta make stuff up now?
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#208
Blame DTP as the gating factor vs "vague" messaging all you want if that makes you feel better.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#214
Read the polling data or have some read the data and explain it to you
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#224
You're pushing fox news bullshit, that's what I read. You claim the squad pushed DTP hevily and
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#226
"The squad pushed the Defund the Police slogan heavily .." That's from your *OWN POST* and its right
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#233
GOP Launches Ads Highlighting 'Defund The Police' To Target Vulnerable 2022 Dems
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#238
+1, the 2nd report suggest dems not be so left brained in the messaging but more associative
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#193
Please link and quote "false data" otherwise you're lying. You've done this trolling shit ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#207
Correct, I see its a branding that couldn't happen if we defined ourselves first with branding that
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#223
Democrats didn't brand themselves adequately and most polled said dem message was "vague" ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#237
The GOP has the benefit of a small segment of the party providing great ad material for the GOP
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#249
The GOP is already running ads using "defund the police" against vulnerable 2022 Democrat candidates
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#239
Defund the Police is a great way to help the GOP win races they should not win
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#246
The continuing GOP fiction that President Biden supports defunding police
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#257
"...Biden's message..." Did not establish down ballots candidates. We can ignore the data and repeat
uponit7771
Jul 2021
#265
Gerrymandering didn't play into senate races and races where we flipped districts in 18
uponit7771
Jul 2021
#267
The Senate itself is built to favor the low population, mostly white rural states.
pnwmom
Jul 2021
#268