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In reply to the discussion: BOOM!! Inadequate Dem Brand is what hurt *NOT* Defund Police!! 2nd Dem 2020 Report to say so. [View all]TraceNC
(254 posts)194. You're not invested in this slogan
but your OP starts with BOOM!! That comes across as some kind of celebratory cheer. These selected reports are obviously very important to you.
As I said, Ill stick with President Obama (who, as you yourself acknowledge, said it hurt us) and Rep. Clyburn and other leaders who know very well what theyre doing.
So obviously our leaders are making some effort to approach this issue intelligently this time, and those who insist upon using this slogan can distance themselves from the Democratic Party over this one issue if they wish and they can field all the questions about it, including explaining why defund doesnt mean defund.
The poster who mentioned your misquoting handled that issue.
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BOOM!! Inadequate Dem Brand is what hurt *NOT* Defund Police!! 2nd Dem 2020 Report to say so. [View all]
uponit7771
Jun 2021
OP
I think the difference is that republican voters will vote for republicans regardless...
George II
Jun 2021
#184
It was some (few but prominent) Democrats who created the slogan and then defended it.....
George II
Jun 2021
#178
I respect Obama and Clyburn but facts matter. This is the 2nd 2020 report basically saying ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#6
+1, it does work VERY VERY well and we need to respond to them faster. In the 2nd report on
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#57
So will you condemn Nina and this Mike idiot for their disrespect of Rep. Clyburn?
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#252
You are correct and it is clear that in real campaigns, this slogan does not work
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#137
Oh, please Jeff. We've "known each other for years" Don't put words in my or anyone elses' mouth
hlthe2b
Jun 2021
#187
Its the perfect slogan for the sentiment the DNC needs better branding and GQP can't use ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#7
In political context its what you stand for and how you want to be viewed. In 2008 down ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#54
Yes, in 2008 we had one in 2016 and 20 we didn't and the guy at the top of the ticket in 2020
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#114
Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#234
Do you tire of being wrong? Here is real exit polling that proves that you are wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#139
+1, enough to blame down ballot losses on it vs the facts that say the opposite.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#46
Why do you continue to insult and defame real democrats who had the courage to run for office?
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#140
Why are you misrepresenting the facts? Neither the autopsy nor the exit polling back your lies
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#253
+1, if we would've had ... ANY SLOGAN ... in 2020 it would've worked but we didn't have
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#109
It's an excellent slogan. Republicans used it heavily, to their great advantage.
lagomorph777
Jun 2021
#66
THANK YOU !!! I'm going crazy here thinking this isn't getting through. I'll update my OP with this
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#91
Its not both, this is the second report out saying dems didn't message or brand themselves
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#9
It became part of dem brand due to wrong response not because DTP was effective. Page 30
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#90
Got it, "The lack of proper marketing let the other side slap a bunker sticker on our cars."
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#98
RIGHT !!! I'm thinking the defanging them it to attack them on the economy and how horrible
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#107
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#141
There's no proof it didn't help us, matter of fact some dem candidates in the report said they
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#19
Disagree, my last sentence is plain; we didn't turn out vote GQP did. That's not a fault of
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#37
Dem branding in both reports is stated as the prevalent issue. Without the branding DTP was able
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#12
Nothing in either report supports the "hindering" conclusion with polling. Bottom line we didn't
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#32
"There is no "defining FIRST" ... " Yes there is, you think someone can now define Ronald ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#45
You're missing that the branding for the next election is already well under way
FBaggins
Jun 2021
#64
House passes George Floyd Act as Democrats avoid 'defund the police' clash
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#254
Facts matter, false cudgels don't work were there's strong branding and good messaging.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#17
No I'm not arguing that, the reports are. The plainly say dems had weak branding and a message...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#24
I think the reports speak for themselves, they're pretty clear. We didn't have a brand or a message
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#28
The second report addresses this very fact that Biden had a strong brand already so ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#33
Correct, the problem is in 2020 for down ballot candidates there was no message shaped ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#95
RIGHT !!! We can have quick hard response and attack lines not sit back and let "Biden Hates
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#94
It's not our slogan. We can't control activists anymore than we can cointrol rightwing nut jobs.
KPN
Jun 2021
#85
The idea on improving branding and messaging is to have one, in 2020 we didn't and voters
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#97
The article cited by the OP does not support the claims made by the OP
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#197
+1, ... while contrasting the GQP record. I don't mind stating GQP is bad but we need to state...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#16
From your own post "Skopov nonetheless endured relentless claims that she supported "defunding" ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#165
Read the material again or have someone read the material and explain it to you
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#198
Disagree, cudgels don't work if branding is strong and message is prevalent. There are multiple
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#14
Dems didn't come up with DTP that's GQP branding that affects that conclusion and ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#20
"When we didn't run away from it," then we agree in part ... our RESPONSE to this cudgel ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#27
WE AGREE !! Or even owning it or parts of it like the AZ candidate did here recently and like ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#34
I don't, I used to work for 1 of the big search sites so I know how to heat map and what words
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#99
LOL !! Same but integration architect, I'm married to a marketing guru so after 20 years I somewhat
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#120
Once again you make it very clear that you have never worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#145
This is why DTP needed a response and not be ignored by 1 too many down ballot candidates in
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#47
The "problem" with Dem messaging is that we're up against right-wing talk radio, Fox lies, and
SharonClark
Jun 2021
#51
+1, their infrastructure is 100% more effective than what we have but we still have outlets ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#60
You're fact biased, I don't think most humans are initially. Do you remember the poster for down ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#62
There are plenty of concrete ideas of how to do it and, just follow the GQP path for the last
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#100
Attacking good Democratic candidates who lost due to this slogan is offensive and wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#147
Defund the police coupled with the continued rioting in Portland and the lack of response...
kentuck
Jun 2021
#55
both reports basically say it was dem LACK of response to "we'll take away police" vs the efficacy
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#61
The 3 polls say different, it wasn't the efficacy of the slogan it was the lack of Dem response
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#101
+1, the 1 bend the 2 reports recognize was turn out of GQP not a true game changer for ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#103
Democrats ... WERE ... able to counter DTP attacks but didn't. Page 30 of 2nd report ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#104
Really ?! 2 different reports saying basically the same thing is a sleeper?
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#110
+1, "But because Biden already had a built up image as a moderate, he could do just that."
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#105
The 2 reports basically have dems not bringing out there base due to lack of branding and ....
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#108
Fixed, "From the 2 reports it was lack of branding / messaging was the game changer not DTP"
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#127
They already did, Google ... "Biden Hates Beef". They're going to run with it or CRT ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#121
You don't get it. "Biden hates beef" doesn't work outside of the cult, as for CRT
themaguffin
Jun 2021
#130
We agree it doesn't work outside his cult and neither did defund the police as the reports say
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#131
Defund the police worked great outside of the cult. That is why it was a problem.
cinematicdiversions
Jun 2021
#183
There's no data indicating DTP was a game changer on getting out dem votes, it wasn't.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#188
Two reports are saying it wasn't DTP that hurt dems but lack of branding and messaging. Dems
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#132
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#148
Easy, in 08 dems had a poster with a word that even REPUBLICANS tried to ascribe to late in the
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#168
I agree, the poster was great branding and association and to this day is part of pop culture ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#173
We need messaging for these groups too IMHO, we can't homogenize our messaging so much
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#176
+1, DCCC leadership has changed to Maloney, he has the data staring him in the face...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#162
+1, we need it !!! The thing about blaming DTP for down ballot losses is its lets dem bad messaging
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#235
True, I think it was the 2nd report that outlines dem messaging is too left brain (logical etc) vs..
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#169
Yes, the myth that the majority of Americans are just like them but don't know it yet.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#155
...and there are too many people vested in lazy thinking of allowing GQP to define us with lies
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#157
Ignore even your own data but accept anecdotes ?! REALLY ?! Come on man, we're
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#205
Why is this ignorant slogan so important to you-you are wrong in your claims
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#209
Its not, reality is important the reality is DTP wasn't a game changer as much as vagueness
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#211
Why are you attacking real Democrats who ran and lost due to this slogan?
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#213
Do you ever tire of being wrong? I am amused at how you are never right on any issue
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#241
Multiple polling and reports are saying "nope, that wasn't the problem" and the reaction
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#174
"...So why help them by continuing to use this stupid slogan?..." Come on ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#186
The celebratory cheer is the confirming report that we were too vague down ballot. I'm MORE vested
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#196
Your data is outdated, you've been told this before why continue to push invalid data? tia
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#206
Hope and change was vague to politicos but was golden for non political people. Messaging and Brandi
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#158
Build back better. Same as always with Democrats, together. Stronger together. FDR.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#163
DTP came from protesters we can't control, we can control our own brandy though...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#160
No, we can try but we can't really control it. We thought we controlled branding
pnwmom
Jun 2021
#199
Correct, dem branding and messaging needs to be better. That's the long and short of the article
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#210
Hillary's slogan was "Stronger together." How is that less "vague" than Make America Great Again"?nt
pnwmom
Jun 2021
#216
2020 2nd report delineate the top of the ticket from the down ballots so I'm thinking top of the ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#221
WOW !! Now you're pushing bullshit from Foxnews ?!!? They're they ones claiming the squad
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#217
The faithful will argue to the death that defund the police is what hurt the party. I agree
Autumn
Jun 2021
#181
The article cited in the OP does NOT support the claims made by the OP
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#201
The quotes in the OP are from the article, your arguments so weak you gotta make stuff up now?
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#208
Blame DTP as the gating factor vs "vague" messaging all you want if that makes you feel better.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#214
Read the polling data or have some read the data and explain it to you
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#224
You're pushing fox news bullshit, that's what I read. You claim the squad pushed DTP hevily and
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#226
"The squad pushed the Defund the Police slogan heavily .." That's from your *OWN POST* and its right
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#233
GOP Launches Ads Highlighting 'Defund The Police' To Target Vulnerable 2022 Dems
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#238
+1, the 2nd report suggest dems not be so left brained in the messaging but more associative
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#193
Please link and quote "false data" otherwise you're lying. You've done this trolling shit ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#207
Correct, I see its a branding that couldn't happen if we defined ourselves first with branding that
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#223
Democrats didn't brand themselves adequately and most polled said dem message was "vague" ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#237
The GOP has the benefit of a small segment of the party providing great ad material for the GOP
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#249
The GOP is already running ads using "defund the police" against vulnerable 2022 Democrat candidates
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#239
Defund the Police is a great way to help the GOP win races they should not win
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#246
The continuing GOP fiction that President Biden supports defunding police
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#257
"...Biden's message..." Did not establish down ballots candidates. We can ignore the data and repeat
uponit7771
Jul 2021
#265
Gerrymandering didn't play into senate races and races where we flipped districts in 18
uponit7771
Jul 2021
#267
The Senate itself is built to favor the low population, mostly white rural states.
pnwmom
Jul 2021
#268