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ProfessorGAC

(76,635 posts)
45. Not Accurate
Reply to 5X (Reply #5)
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jun 2021

First, reactive metals don't explode due to contact with atmospheric moisture, or even liquid water flowing across the surface.
The explosive potential occurs in a submerged condition where liberated hydrogen gas has no where to go, Tue autoignition temperature is reached and the energy of substantial H2 burning is released rapidly.
Those condition don't apply in your scenario.
I've thrown reactive metal into water. It's exciting! We see flames flickering; the water gets hot very fast, but no explosion.
Secondly, lithium still needs a source of oxygen. Unlike phosphorus, which reacts with air, but lacks the activation energy to split water (which is why is can be stored in water), lithium gets the oxygen it needs to react from the water.. It takes the oxygen & one hydrogen from the water to form lithium hydroxide (LiOH) & one atom of hydrogen. Two lithium atoms in water makes 2 molecules of LiOH & one molecule of hydrogen (H2)
Absent water, lithium reacts directly with oxygen to form Lithium Oxide. (Li2O). 4 lithium atoms and one oxygen molecule make 2Li2O molecules.
Lithium in kerosene or mineral oil, seeing neither water nor oxygen is completely stable.
It DOES require oxygen to ignite.

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As opposed to vehicles with 20 gallons of gas underneath them? Johnny2X2X Jun 2021 #1
Gas tanks don't spontaneously combust when crushed or punctured like lithium ion batteries Klaralven Jun 2021 #3
Please. marble falls Jun 2021 #6
April 2020 Fire Report: How & Why Do Lithium-Ion Batteries Fail Klaralven Jun 2021 #10
Horses and buggies don't burn or explode in any scenario. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #7
Replace 240 million light vehicles with horses? Horse emissions would be an environmental nightmare. Klaralven Jun 2021 #17
The wheel: the source of all our problems. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #20
Uhhh yes they do. If there is any spark near them they do. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #40
That's not spontaneous. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #43
What isn't spontaneous? CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #47
You do know gasoline burns too?? Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #2
Lithium and moisture virtually explodes 5X Jun 2021 #5
How do these cars do in a driving rainstorm then? Treefrog Jun 2021 #9
With the batteries not damaged, the lack or presence of rain doesn't matter. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #12
So what if you're in a crash in a rainstorm? Treefrog Jun 2021 #30
If the batteries are damaged, then there can be trouble. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #41
Not well when crushed under 16 floors of concrete condo Klaralven Jun 2021 #13
Not Accurate ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #45
I am wrong about the moisture and ev batteries but, 5X Jun 2021 #61
Everytime it rains, or even splashes a puddle, an enviromentalist gets his wings. marble falls Jun 2021 #4
Gasser jcboss Jun 2021 #8
I wonder how many UL, ANSI, ISO, ASME, API, ASTM, and NFPA consensus standards there are mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #14
Exactly right. When was the last time a tanker blew up a service station? I watch from my deck ... marble falls Jun 2021 #15
Do they still have that chain that drags along the pavement below the tank? NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #19
I'll have to get my field glasses out! What I like the best about the tankers are they have ... marble falls Jun 2021 #22
There's a vehicle that's begging to be turned into a low rider. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #23
I kinda like the image of that big red oval jumping up and down. marble falls Jun 2021 #25
I spoke too soon. Okay, the tanker doesn't have hyrdraulics, but it is pretty tricked out. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #28
These guys teach master classes ... marble falls Jun 2021 #33
This is what I had in mind, except with a tank truck. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #35
But the trailers gotta hop, too! marble falls Jun 2021 #42
That's what I mean: the tank part. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #44
Not Likely ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #46
Gasoline is the most dangerous substance to the public and isnt controlled. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #24
It's Available ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #48
You're probably right. I should think about it some more. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #49
My Specialty, Educationally... ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #52
Yearly about 3700 deaths by fire, 3400 by drowning. Klaralven Jun 2021 #51
I Was Talking About More Than Fire ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #55
so... we should stick with ICE engines then? Takket Jun 2021 #11
Florida parking garage collapse kills 2; 1 still missing Klaralven Jun 2021 #16
Building inspection in Florida may go under a MSM microscope. nt oasis Jun 2021 #31
So there's one, nine years ago ..... dumbcat Jun 2021 #37
Electric/Hybrid Vehicle Safety Training for Emergency Responders mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #18
No where have I said anything about getting rid of electric vehicles 5X Jun 2021 #21
It is certainly one possibility among many. tinrobot Jun 2021 #34
Rising sea levels from burning gasoline helped rot out the building's foundation NickB79 Jun 2021 #26
Lets ignore physics at our own peril. 5X Jun 2021 #27
Or we can ignore cost/benefit analysis NickB79 Jun 2021 #29
The fact that the building collapsed is the bigger problem here. tinrobot Jun 2021 #32
EVs are as safe or safer than ICEs Johnny2X2X Jun 2021 #36
Did I say otherwise? 5X Jun 2021 #38
Nice Dodge. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #50
I don't have to fucking dodge anything. 5X Jun 2021 #54
Please, you implied the hell out of it obamanut2012 Jun 2021 #58
Tell me where. 5X Jun 2021 #59
Transparent nonsense is transparent. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #60
And you know there were EVs in the garage relayerbob Jun 2021 #39
Good then to have excellent and stringent building codes. David__77 Jun 2021 #53
Ummm... wouldn't the complete collapse of the garage already have ruined one's day? kysrsoze Jun 2021 #56
Reading is fundamental. 5X Jun 2021 #57
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