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Tsiyu

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26. WE've had this discussion here before on DU

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:19 PM

Jan 2012

Are Christians proposing these laws? Then they are open to criticism.

I now qualify fundy Christians, because, like REpublicans, they are against everything Democrats and most DUers hold dear. If they are on this board, oh well. Against the teaching of evolution. Against reproductive choice, against marriage equality.

Let me ask you: Do you support this legislation? Why do you seem to be defending this crappy, discriminatory, unConstitutional law?

And why do other faiths in America almost never try to force their religion on others?

If the shoe fits, is all I'm saying. I'm sick to death of some Christians claiming oppression. They have NO CLUE what oppression really means. They aren't in concentration camps or forced to worhip in secret in this country. They are mainstream and ubiquitous.

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Im sick of christians jamming their religion down peoples throats [View all] rdking647 Jan 2012 OP

Typical election year bullshit...they like to get people to the polls with these issues... rfranklin Jan 2012 #1

since the the bill is rdking647 Jan 2012 #11

Exactly nt JerseygirlCT Jan 2012 #57

You give the Senator too damn much credit. BiggJawn Jan 2012 #61

The funny part of it is that they'll breed weaker Christians for it. patrice Jan 2012 #2

They already have jberryhill Jan 2012 #4

Too true! nt patrice Jan 2012 #99

hey, quit trying to impose your godless tolerance on others! unblock Jan 2012 #3

and then complaining about how oppressed they are. BarbaRosa Jan 2012 #5

Yeah, they're oppressed alright Gemini Cat Jan 2012 #8

Then vote for Democrats and CAMPAIGN for them too. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #6

Shouldn't Indiana worry about the lack of jobs instead? Gemini Cat Jan 2012 #7

Oh come on dude! mindwalker_i Jan 2012 #90

Prove it! nm Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #9

Perhaps some Christians are sick of non-Christians jamming their religious, agnostic, and atheist jody Jan 2012 #10

To the best of my knowledge Nevernose Jan 2012 #13

Good point re pledge but some Christians oppose existing laws making them pay taxes that jody Jan 2012 #17

And I hate tax money being used for war Tsiyu Jan 2012 #22

We both hate our taxes being used for war and corporate subsidies. That doesn't answer jody Jan 2012 #23

It's not up to government to adjudicate every squabble Tsiyu Jan 2012 #29

But it is "up to government to adjudicate every squabble" that is a divisive, polarizing political jody Jan 2012 #32

When a Christian oversteps the bounds Tsiyu Jan 2012 #35

Do you object when someone oversteps the bounds and demands that THEIR support of a particular jody Jan 2012 #37

Give an example Tsiyu Jan 2012 #40

Please read the OP and #10. If you don't understand that then I can't help you. nt jody Jan 2012 #43

I wasn't asking for any "help" from you Tsiyu Jan 2012 #44

OK, I can't help you and I don't need help from anyone. Have a great evening and goodbye. nt jody Jan 2012 #47

I'm nit sure what you are askIng either MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #89

So complaining about creation being taught in school is akin to forcing atheism on others? Hugabear Jan 2012 #106

no one wants to force christians to get abortions RainDog Jan 2012 #30

I said some who oppose abortions object to their taxes being used to pay for abortions. jody Jan 2012 #33

but the reality is that people with all sorts of view have to do this all the time RainDog Jan 2012 #36

In #30 you said "no one wants to force christians to get abortions". I said jody Jan 2012 #41

Tax money does not pay for abortions Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #97

State abortion funding jody Jan 2012 #122

Thomas Jefferson isn't the authority here - the Constitution (authored by Madison mostly) is markpkessinger Jan 2012 #118

Is that "some" or "all"? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #105

some. generally of the right wing persuasion RainDog Jan 2012 #123

Here's the compromise: LEAD PRAYERS IN CHURCH, NOT PUBLIC SCHOOL. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #48

Brillant, obviously you have a great future in politics. nt jody Jan 2012 #50

I do. Because most Americans want government to focus on FIXING SHIT Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #58

+1 BiggJawn Jan 2012 #62

+ a gamillion RainDog Jan 2012 #64

Cool poster. nt Union Scribe Jan 2012 #15

Love this graphic Tanelorn Jan 2012 #18

I remain amazed that a single concept is in great religions and also the Humanist Manifesto. nt jody Jan 2012 #20

How? How indeed. If only there were some fundamental guiding principle in the Constitution Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #49

This is a crap argument in the United States. HuckleB Jan 2012 #71

You say "I don't believe in God" but Gallup polls say 79% of US citizens list a religion jody Jan 2012 #75

And somehow you think there's a valid point in your post? HuckleB Jan 2012 #82

Valid points are invalid if they fall upon deaf ears. Have a great evening. nt jody Jan 2012 #83

Nice try. HuckleB Jan 2012 #87

PS: 5 Founding Fathers Whose Skepticism About Christianity Would Make Them Unelectable Today HuckleB Jan 2012 #91

Can you give an example, or are you just spouting BS? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #76

Example of what? nt jody Jan 2012 #77

Of non-Christians jamming their beliefs down Christians' throats. Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #78

See #17. nt jody Jan 2012 #80

First, that's anti-choice propoganda that has been demonstrated to be not true... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #84

Have a great evening. n/t jody Jan 2012 #85

So, in other words, you got nothing. Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #86

Really- do you find that often? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #101

As usual, we pagans are left out. Hatchling Jan 2012 #103

can I get a witness?! alterfurz Jan 2012 #116

Thanks for comment. I promise to always include it in the future. jody Jan 2012 #120

cool Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #104

Oh please. What an unbalanced comparison. Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #110

All churches should be taxed on there chraltan profits. sarcasmo Jan 2012 #12

So, fuck the Constitution right? Union Scribe Jan 2012 #14

Actually tax exemption for religious organizations puts the state... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #25

Agree and I declare I am a religion and entitled to all the benefits of religious institutions. nt jody Jan 2012 #54

A christian religious group that wants tax exemption has a much easier time than, for example a... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #74

Uh, church tax exemptions have been determined to be constitutional. HuckleB Jan 2012 #73

Yes, they should. -eom- HuckleB Jan 2012 #72

you wouldnt want that Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #107

agreed deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #111

i think i would give my child written permission to modify the words in any way he saw fit dembotoz Jan 2012 #16

If fundy Christians would spend more time doing what Jesus said Tsiyu Jan 2012 #19

OP attacked "christians" but you attacked a subset "fundy Christians". Do you support OP's attack jody Jan 2012 #21

WE've had this discussion here before on DU Tsiyu Jan 2012 #26

I defend no one. If you were president, how would you use your position to find a jody Jan 2012 #31

I would point to the Constitution Tsiyu Jan 2012 #38

+1 n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #39

Thanks for your opinion but what has SCOTUS said? Please cite case, link, and passage. nt jody Jan 2012 #42

Whatever your agenda is Tsiyu Jan 2012 #51

Let's see. How about McCollum v. Board of Education (1947)? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #60

The Court has establishd the Lemon test for such cases and this law would fail the test. white_wolf Jan 2012 #88

Compromise? I won't come into your church and talk about evolution or quantum physics Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #53

+1 - well said! Hugabear Jan 2012 #108

Yeah, it's important that we remember who the true "victims" are here, huh? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #52

They should work on rounding up some JOBS for the people, Quantess Jan 2012 #24

Many a poster/sign on this very subject is out there. Makes a great placard Malikshah Jan 2012 #27

Sounds like they are desperate to find a wedge issue. n/t arthritisR_US Jan 2012 #28

Wedge issues is what the World's Worst Legislature is all about this year BiggJawn Jan 2012 #63

I share your sentiments! I have to fight my cynicism. n/t arthritisR_US Jan 2012 #95

I'm a Christian who is against school prayer Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #34

"most of the country never had school prayer"! "most" covers lots of states and may have been true jody Jan 2012 #46

Ah, yes, the old "No Atheists in Foxholes" crock o' bigoted shit. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #55

And then we got some sense Tsiyu Jan 2012 #56

we also had segregation in the 1950s RainDog Jan 2012 #66

Agree and that was immoral. Thank goodness that my childhood companions were able to survive jody Jan 2012 #68

the point being that just because America did something in the past RainDog Jan 2012 #69

I never said it did. So you believe US history particularly SCOTUS decisions should be ignored jody Jan 2012 #70

judicial precedent is not the same as cultural history RainDog Jan 2012 #79

Have a great evening. n/t jody Jan 2012 #81

You've been schooled in this thread. Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #114

That American Humanist symbol? GoneOffShore Jan 2012 #119

What SCOTUS decisions are you talking about, buddy? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #100

22.5 million soldiers died in WWII BiggJawn Jan 2012 #67

Me too. dawg Jan 2012 #112

Yes, much is misunderstood Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #115

Indiana is Alabama with snow. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #45

Exploding heads Ineeda Jan 2012 #59

Good Point. . . BigDemVoter Jan 2012 #65

The bible tells them to do that! Logical Jan 2012 #92

It also tells them not to do that. HuckleB Jan 2012 #94

Rel = Division = Hate = Fantasy = delusion = mutual destruction.... opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #93

http://bible.cc/matthew/6-6.htm DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #98

I'm sick of people jamming their... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #102

we all are deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #109

Perhaps we need a law that says ... Ganja Ninja Jan 2012 #113

Religion = hate = divide = weaken = loss = waste = fucked up opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #117

I'm sick of anyone who doesn't Magleetis Jan 2012 #121