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Yavin4

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49. You're missing the point about the numbers.
Mon Jun 28, 2021, 02:45 PM
Jun 2021

First, 117 deaths is small given the population size of the UK. Yes, it's tragic for those people, but on the whole, it's a very small number. About the same number of people died in that apartment collapse in Florida.

Second, the average age of covid deaths is approx. 80 years old. Given that the UK prioritized vaccinating their most vulnerable population first, it's no wonder that the numbers are about even for the unvaccinated vs. the vaccinated. Why? because the unvaccinated are probably in the younger group and their overall death rate is lower.

Finally, we're never going to have a zero covid world. That's simply not even remotely possible. We'll always have some sort of variant that we have to watch for and monitor. In the meantime, we cannot shutdown the world every time there is a new case.

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Well the delta variant is just starting to show up. Deaths lag. mucifer Jun 2021 #1
EXTREMELY small numbers of already small numbers. Hortensis Jun 2021 #51
2-3 weeks ago, the Delta variant was already dominant in the new cases muriel_volestrangler Jun 2021 #55
Statistics also reflect use of Astra Zeneca, which is not used in the US Klaralven Jun 2021 #2
Less sensational headline: Over 99.9+% of vaccinated people safe from Delta variant. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #3
By my calculation last week, over 99.99% are safe from death, with Pfizer/Moderna. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #5
Well, out of 117 deaths, 50 were fully vaccinated. LisaL Jun 2021 #7
In the USA, out of 150 million vaccinated, there have been a few hundred deaths. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #9
I am not trying to get anyone from getting vaccinated. LisaL Jun 2021 #12
50 fully vaccinated people died, out of 32.5 million fully vaccinated in UK Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #30
Using your logic, 67 people died from delta covid out of LisaL Jun 2021 #31
That is a true statement, which could change over time. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #36
The reason for that is most covid deaths are in the age group 65 and over. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #47
I'm sure many more than that Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #59
Based on UK data, it is 99.99999% safety for fully vaccinated people Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #32
Strange that some DUers are twisting this into bad news. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #34
Problem is - some who are vaxed believe they can no longer catch the virus womanofthehills Jun 2021 #77
And the average age of those 50 deaths is probably 75 and over Yavin4 Jun 2021 #48
+1, even if ALL forms of CV19 was added in seems more likely to win the lottery than to catch uponit7771 Jun 2021 #62
Or not sensational enough. LisaL Jun 2021 #8
Why are you pushing the Trumpist anti-vaxxer agenda? lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #11
I think insisting that vaccinated people are completely safe and can go about their business LisaL Jun 2021 #13
I agree Sunsky Jun 2021 #45
She's right - if this variant kills vaxed and non vaxed alike Blues Heron Jun 2021 #16
Vaccinated people should still be cautious (I am). But it's misleading to imply it's no good... lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #19
I am discussing the numbers coming out of UK. LisaL Jun 2021 #20
You are omitting the vastly more relevant fact that almost all recipients are protected. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #21
I am discussing the numbers in the article. LisaL Jun 2021 #22
Bye. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #24
You're missing the point about the numbers. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #49
+1, "Finally, we're never going to have a zero covid world" People are attempting to conflate vaxed uponit7771 Jun 2021 #65
Deaths are fifty percent vaxed Blues Heron Jun 2021 #26
It's not killing 50% of vaxed, only 0.000001% Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #35
read it again - of the deaths it does cause - 50 percent are fully vaxed Blues Heron Jun 2021 #38
That statistic is completely meaningless unless examined in a larger context Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #42
sure - but somehow it managed to kill as many vaxed as nonvaxed Blues Heron Jun 2021 #43
Without additional data and context, a red flag for vaxxed people is unwarranted. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #46
WHO said we should keep masking - vaxed or not Blues Heron Jun 2021 #69
Im not talking about masks - I'm onboard with masking Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #70
I'll go with the experts on this one Blues Heron Jun 2021 #71
I follow the experts as well (married to one, a retired CLS), and no one's hair is on fire yet Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #73
You dismiss the Delta variant at your peril Blues Heron Jun 2021 #74
Like the OP, you are thinking in black and white extremes Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #75
OK Be safe Blues Heron Jun 2021 #76
Variant will kill vaxed at lottery winning chances than non vaxed, PCR is not similar or same uponit7771 Jun 2021 #64
right, it's more if you DO get it your vax gives the same chances as nonvaxed Blues Heron Jun 2021 #68
Except that is blatantly false. Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #23
Nope. The number of breakthrough infections resulting in death is infinitesimally small Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #29
Oh for crying out loud. LisaL Jun 2021 #33
Again. You are conflating "safe" with "not dead." Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #37
And what this OP headline ignores is that same measure of vaccine effectiveness Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #39
No. That headline is ALSO misleading Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #57
+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #41
THANK YOU!!!! So sick of the COVID fear porn on DU! beaglelover Jun 2021 #58
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2021 #60
Sounds just like what they said when COVID started out. Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #4
Yeah, sometimes it is the things that remain unsaid and understood which are the key... Hugin Jun 2021 #6
Except at the beginning of COVID, NOBODY was vaccinated. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #40
So it's OK not to just dump vaccinated granny on an ice flow Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #52
To quote our current president- Look, here's the deal: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #54
My comment pertained to the OP - which certainly did imply that Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #56
"Almost all are over 50" zanana1 Jun 2021 #10
From this data, it appears that older and sickly ones are still at risk after vaccination. LisaL Jun 2021 #14
Check that, and "over 50..very elderly" appalachiablue Jun 2021 #17
K&R! SheltieLover Jun 2021 #15
Although Pfizer and Moderna afford stronger protection... ananda Jun 2021 #18
We are being told that in the US, vast majority of people who died were un-vaccinated. LisaL Jun 2021 #25
Differing Vaccine Regimes Matter ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #27
One can hope we should be better off due to mRNA vaccines here. LisaL Jun 2021 #28
As Of June 16, US Was At 10% Of Cases ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #50
I am fully vaccinated but will be wearing a mask LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #44
What were their underlying health conditions? LiberalFighter Jun 2021 #53
all over 50 looks like uponit7771 Jun 2021 #61
That by itself doesn't identify it. LiberalFighter Jun 2021 #72
Looks like I got *CLOSER* chances of hitting lottery than getting CV19 of any variant after vax uponit7771 Jun 2021 #63
I was booked for a trip to UK in Sept mainer Jun 2021 #66
Wait a while, spare the stress. Enjoy appalachiablue Jun 2021 #67
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