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hunter

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90. "Factory farm" meat and dairy operations in California are worse than almonds...

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:26 AM

Jun 2021

...bad for the environment and horrific for the cows.

Inexpensive beef and dairy products are not a necessity. Let the cows graze on the hillsides. I don't care if the prices of meat and dairy products increase.

Almonds and pistachios are ancient foods that have been grown for thousand of years in artificially irrigated arid environments, places like Iran, Spain, and Egypt.

If not California, where else should Almonds be grown? The climate here is ideal.

It would be a great improvement if almond and pistachio trees replaced all the factory farm dairy operations and feed lots in California's Central Valley, including silage grown for export.

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Why can't we ship water from the East Coast... [View all] RussBLib Jun 2021 OP

steam powered blimps? uriel1972 Jun 2021 #1

Giant water balloons. I love it. Sneederbunk Jun 2021 #21

been hearing this more and more - especially after some inundating storm rurallib Jun 2021 #2

Back in the 1970s, water-challenged Midwest states lured factories away Sibelius Fan Jun 2021 #3

How about not living in a desert ? rickford66 Jun 2021 #4

25% of CA is desert. Sibelius Fan Jun 2021 #7

Okay. But that's where the people live. nt Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #25

Incorrect. Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #36

I live in Lake Forest, CA. This whole area of SoCal from the foothills to the ocean Sibelius Fan Jun 2021 #50

Yep! I keep reading about people taking water from the Great Lakes, but that isn't really Luciferous Jun 2021 #11

Will never happen. Grins Jun 2021 #40

Exactly! CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #24

Seattle's not a desert, and it's been well over 100 here. n/t pnwmom Jun 2021 #30

Is Seattle short of water? nt. Mariana Jun 2021 #32

No, not this summer. Our snow pack was fine. That's not why our temps are so high. pnwmom Jun 2021 #37

Oh! That's a good one! tenderfoot Jun 2021 #43

I thought of Sam IMMEDIATELY when I read that post! 11 Bravo Jun 2021 #71

'Convert some of the oil pipelines to water pipelines. Charter fleets of trucks (electric trucks) to elleng Jun 2021 #5

Well, just around here our water tables are pretty low... TreasonousBastard Jun 2021 #6

No! PortTack Jun 2021 #8

How about not having 10's of millions of people living in places without natural resources? Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #9

This. Diamond_Dog Jun 2021 #13

+1000 nt WarGamer Jun 2021 #17

So empty California? former9thward Jun 2021 #19

No, you just charge people the value of the resource MisterProton Jun 2021 #62

Fine, stop the government food subsidies. former9thward Jun 2021 #65

California has PLENTY of water for residential use WarGamer Jun 2021 #103

Um, go West? Tarc Jun 2021 #10

The great lakes are closer... dawg day Jun 2021 #12

The great lakes are glacial Marrah_Goodman Jun 2021 #53

Very large bowls! dawg day Jun 2021 #61

So the West deserts can have swimming pools, soaking tubs and golf courses. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #14

and THAT is the correct answer... WarGamer Jun 2021 #16

Exactly, I am against piping Great Lake Water anywhere. We have to take hard look at Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #96

Let's get a few things straight. WarGamer Jun 2021 #15

California probably has enough water for the people, they do not have enough for the Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #28

Ever look at a topographical map of the continental US? Ever talk to a civil engineer about ... Hekate Jun 2021 #18

Lots of grounded responses, but I like your thinking big. Hortensis Jun 2021 #20

No way! All that spring water we have running into the ocean. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #41

My husband fishes those ecosystems also. Hortensis Jun 2021 #77

Some of the more remote springs are still super clear. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #81

Lovely. I have a special fondness for the turtle families Hortensis Jun 2021 #82

That's a pretty spring. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #83

We're up in No GA during the summer, but lots of rain here so far also, Hortensis Jun 2021 #98

Desalinization would be VASTLY cheaper Rstrstx Jun 2021 #22

I hear California is building the biggest desal plant ever near San Diego RussBLib Jun 2021 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2021 #48

No pipelines will divert water from the Great Lakes. roamer65 Jun 2021 #26

Agreed. nt Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #52

It takes a lot of energy to move water long distances and over mountains. hunter Jun 2021 #27

Prohibitively espensive. Water is very heavy. Some kind of aqueduct system... brush Jun 2021 #29

Because you'd be stealing from Canada? Deb Jun 2021 #31

Pipelines from Canada is a great idea RussBLib Jun 2021 #34

I'm thinking Canada might disagree. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #42

We have pipelines from Canada. They're full of oil. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2021 #56

What does oil cost? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #66

I hear water UnderThisLaw Jun 2021 #33

You know how much water agriculture uses in the Southwest and California? NickB79 Jun 2021 #35

yup, i played with some numbers. the amount of water used is incredible, it couldn't be done. Amishman Jun 2021 #74

Desalination plants on the west coast... Happy Hoosier Jun 2021 #38

It's outrageously expensive susanr516 Jun 2021 #39

The California Aqueduct has a capacity 66 times that. hunter Jun 2021 #60

You're right susanr516 Jun 2021 #85

The Great Lakes is closer Captain Zero Jun 2021 #44

They cannot and should not Marrah_Goodman Jun 2021 #101

Because it will only prolonged the inevitable and will not resolve the problem. dilby Jun 2021 #45

Chile and china are doing it FirefighterJo Jun 2021 #46

It's California and California gets sarisataka Jun 2021 #47

The energy to do this will come from where exactly? NNadir Jun 2021 #49

So it can be used in a DESERT? Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #51

"Flyover country" is the biggest desert of all. hunter Jun 2021 #91

Well then I suppose California doesn't need our 'polluted' water and by the way, crops usuing Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #95

I'm universally hostile to some kinds of agriculture. hunter Jun 2021 #99

We agree on this...sorry don't build in a desert. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #97

We may be getting a ton of rain Blue_Adept Jun 2021 #54

Ignore the snark. You make valid points that should be explored maxrandb Jun 2021 #55

America used to think big RussBLib Jun 2021 #57

It isn't a question of thinking big, sarisataka Jun 2021 #59

Great response, really disappointed with some posters here eissa Jun 2021 #64

Replacing, or iliminating the crops from California and this country would starve maxrandb Jun 2021 #80

The Army Corps of Engineers already reviewed... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #86

Isn't the proposal to ship water to California sarisataka Jun 2021 #100

We could look at it that way, but that would make us Retrumplicans maxrandb Jun 2021 #104

I don't for a second advocate the 'Forget California' line... uriel1972 Jun 2021 #88

Shipping water is inane. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2021 #58

Californians need to pay attention... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #63

Right on. nt intrepidity Jun 2021 #79

"Factory farm" meat and dairy operations in California are worse than almonds... hunter Jun 2021 #90

Agree about cows, and I'll never eat those... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #93

With relatives in SoCal, I have often had that same thought: Sogo Jun 2021 #67

If we can imagine it RussBLib Jun 2021 #72

No, the region is too hot and it would be a waste of time. Also, many areas in Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #94

Why do people keep saying you'd have to cross mountains to get water to the West Coast? Sogo Jun 2021 #68

Seriously? hunter Jun 2021 #69

Because Geography nt sarisataka Jun 2021 #70

Who gets what, when? Lurker Deluxe Jun 2021 #73

Well, I don't think every inch of Nevada needs water RussBLib Jun 2021 #75

Prolly not Lurker Deluxe Jun 2021 #76

Shipping takes too long. They should fly it out. First class. 11 Bravo Jun 2021 #78

The West will only continue to fry and shipping water would be a wasted effort. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2021 #84

Because you'd need a couple of hundred nuke plants to generate the energy to do it? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2021 #87

tow the next giant chunk of ice sheet that breaks off from Antarctica eShirl Jun 2021 #89

Like this is new ripcord Jun 2021 #92

On another note... uriel1972 Jun 2021 #102