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Ms. Toad

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47. That wasn't the intent -

Mon Jul 5, 2021, 06:39 PM

Jul 2021

That was what could be tested most easily and get the product to market.

Post market, now that they have more experience and time to test and pull everyone back in for confirmation of disease prevention, not just symptom prevention, they have confirmed that the mRNA vaccines prvent disease (which is how they reduce severe consequences).

Death occurs with about the same frequency in breakthorugh cases as it does in the unvaccinated cases. Since it prevents infection at about 95%, and reduces death by about 95%, there really isn't any reason to believe the severe illness would behave differently. I.e. the reducitonin death is entirely accounted for by the reduction in infection.

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Israel Sees Decline in Pfizer Vaccine [Infection] Efficacy Rate, Ynet Reports [View all] SheltieLover Jul 2021 OP

We'll need a 3rd dose Delarage Jul 2021 #1

Israel is apparently planning 3rd doses for Sept. For those over 50 SheltieLover Jul 2021 #2

+1 n/t area51 Jul 2021 #16

Now, why would we want to get a 3rd dose of Pfizer? Baitball Blogger Jul 2021 #8

Pls show me the number for J&J efficacy specifically for the delta variant. Pobeka Jul 2021 #17

I haven't found the statistics. Baitball Blogger Jul 2021 #19

Thanks. That means claims of efficacy for delta variant are useless. Pobeka Jul 2021 #21

I respect your skeptism. Baitball Blogger Jul 2021 #23

re: "J&J...has a better percentage of efficacy over variants" thesquanderer Jul 2021 #26

I was thinking of global variants. Baitball Blogger Jul 2021 #28

Not sure SheltieLover Jul 2021 #34

J&J topped out at around 75%, Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #46

Wow. That's really disappointing. And the protection against serious illness and death is Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #3

They are planning for 3rd shots for those over 50 in Sept. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #4

You too! This thing isn't over. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #5

No it isn't over! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #6

In Germany there has been a curious statistic DFW Jul 2021 #7

I am wondering the same thing. Baitball Blogger Jul 2021 #9

Chuck Todd asked that question of Fauci yesterday Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #14

Wish I could remember where I read wnylib Jul 2021 #13

I recall reading that too, Wyn. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #35

I did a search and came up with an article wnylib Jul 2021 #42

Ty, Wyn! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #43

The reason the second shot was an mRNA was due to Phoenix61 Jul 2021 #24

It was never meant to be inoculation. uponit7771 Jul 2021 #10

If you are content with only avoiding wnylib Jul 2021 #15

re: "I prefer to also avoid heart, lung, and kidney damage" thesquanderer Jul 2021 #27

Asymptomatic cases can have long-haul problems months later, but vaccine may prevent it lostnfound Jul 2021 #30

Ty for posting! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #38

Not true that those negative consequences wnylib Jul 2021 #40

Same here! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #36

It WAS meant for inoculation. NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #20

it was both MEANT stopdiggin Jul 2021 #22

If you look back at old news and medical articles NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #44

That wasn't the intent - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #47

So, all is well. The rumor mills work as well as ever and here is new grist. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #11

Not rumors! When the vaccines were being tested prior to initial public release there was comment by Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #12

Most people receive 100% of their Covid-19 info through the media. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #25

I agree that the media has mangled the message by poor practice or by deliberate distortion. Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #29

Israel has not had any deaths since June 10. Yavin4 Jul 2021 #18

"At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong." Yavin4 Jul 2021 #31

I'm absolutely stunned none of that was mentioned in the OP BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #32

We know that information from the CDC SheltieLover Jul 2021 #33

The headline of the article is misleading and alarmist. Yavin4 Jul 2021 #37

Sorry. I didn't write headline, but included [Infection] SheltieLover Jul 2021 #39

Yes, very on brand. BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #41

Far from it - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #48

I couldn't open the article. Are they saying the vaccine's effectiveness is wearing off over time or liberal_mama Jul 2021 #45

K&R n/t OhioChick Jul 2021 #49