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Moostache

(11,251 posts)
8. This format is not amenable to clarifying this type of question...
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jul 2021

I will simply say that I think my goals are a society that CHOOSES its allocation of resources without the inanity of the Kardashians or the stupidity of advertising making the choices for everyone on a subliminal level BEFORE they ever get to really think about it and make rationale decisions.

The government of the United States IS the people of the United States. That is a fundamental bedrock of this nation and the truly revolutionary thing that makes the CONCEPT of the USA the greatest achievement in human governing history...no kings, no queens, no empire (at the conception level - though we fail abjectly at the execution level on this) - the concept of one man one vote, which has been corrupted and strangled by abominations like radio, TV, advertising and "Citizens United"-type horror shows. The concept lives in memory, but in reality, money is king and the people are given false choices and expected to just accept it as unchangeable - or even undesirable to pursue.

The vision is a society that understands building on coastal areas and destroying the natural barriers to erosion and wetlands is not a choice for individuals, but a societal level choice, an impact on more than an individual or a family - but in reality a forced set of consequences for the entire community and region. (This is just an example to illustrate the idea...but it applies to other consumer-driven decisions as well. Nothing is happening in a vacuum or independent of impact on others, we just choose to ignore it - or more properly, we are put to sleep by others via selected desires and wants that erase the need to critically evaluate total impacts of 'individual choices'.)

Because someone has means to BUY that decision, and then build whatever they want there does not make it right or desirable.

Somewhere between what you call socialism, and I consider societal rationalism is a sweet spot that would make our current advertising-driven, false-choice providing culture look like what it truly is - a scam that enriches some at the expense of many, but also allows the few to continue making choices that imperil the many without fair compensation or paying for the totality of their "free choices".

A more just and sane society is the vision or north star to me...not some kind of Politburo or regime-based control...a true (unvarnished, untainted, unmanipulated by ulterior motive) government of, by and for the people. A dream that will go unrealized as homo sapiens slowly ensures its own extinction instead in the name of someone else's vision of "freedom"...

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Hear, hear! [View all] Heartstrings Jul 2021 OP
100% agreement - K&R as much as humanly possible! Moostache Jul 2021 #1
Yes! Heartstrings Jul 2021 #3
I don't understand your post. CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #4
When we are beat over the head with claims of social benefits being "too expensive" it is germane. Moostache Jul 2021 #5
It sounds like socialism. CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #6
This format is not amenable to clarifying this type of question... Moostache Jul 2021 #8
+1. yonder Jul 2021 #10
Bravo. Tommymac Jul 2021 #11
👆👆 crickets Jul 2021 #16
👍👍👍👍👍 ShazzieB Jul 2021 #19
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #22
Communism is the state interaction with every aspect of life, we're all socialist seeing few to no.. uponit7771 Jul 2021 #25
Currently in our world, 3 individuals have enough wealth to go to outer space. mac2766 Jul 2021 #27
Wholeheartedly agree, uriel1972 Jul 2021 #2
Our opposites don't value humanity. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2021 #14
Big K&R! Duppers Jul 2021 #7
"We live in a society, not an economy." Best nugget I've seen in a long, long time. Thanks. TheRickles Jul 2021 #9
Profound malaise Jul 2021 #12
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #13
Yeah but... SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2021 #15
We've all been subject to the hard sell of a consumption based world. patphil Jul 2021 #17
The president I grew with called that The Great Society, then the repugs killed it with greed. rickyhall Jul 2021 #18
I remember that so well, rickyhall! ShazzieB Jul 2021 #20
Yeah, that damned war and the assassinations really fucked things up. rickyhall Jul 2021 #28
K and R Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #21
I follow him on Twitter and really enjoy his posts. flying_wahini Jul 2021 #23
RIGHT !?!? uponit7771 Jul 2021 #24
K&R Blue Owl Jul 2021 #26
Perfectly said! Roland99 Jul 2021 #29
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