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Ms. Toad

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61. There is a distinction, though -
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:53 PM
Jul 2021

CRT is a long-standing, relatively well defined but complex entity - weaponized by being turned into a bullet pointand moved into the political arena by Republicans who are more clever than we are at weaponizing things. (Because it came from academia, that also means a fair number of Democrats are trying to deweaponize something they don't undrstand.)

Defund the Police is a recent outgrowth of activism - that was originally intended as a bullet point way to capture a concept, but those who use it never settled on a common understanding of what was behind the bullet point. So, while the goal of capturing the essence of something in a few words is something Democrats desperately need to get better at (so good political instincts), when the bullet point is being simultaneously touted by folks on our side as exactly what it means - and not at all what it means, it was trivialto weaponize it.

More than a quick response messaging platform that responds to lies, we need to get better at concise messaging in the first place.

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YES!!! n/t KarenS Jul 2021 #1
"De-brutalize" makes no sense. The institution itself, whose primary function is protecting WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #2
Absolutely Tndem615 Jul 2021 #3
...and your alternative solution is.....? brooklynite Jul 2021 #7
The short answer is take the resources we pour into policing and instead fund things we know WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #9
So psychopaths' and rapists just need their "needs" met and they will be good citizens.. EX500rider Jul 2021 #25
See: Trump, Donald brooklynite Jul 2021 #27
We actually know what causes a lot of crime. When it comes to rape and sexual assault, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #31
"rape will go down." is not the same as "will disappear" Will still need police. EX500rider Jul 2021 #36
It always cracks me up when people use rape as an example for why we need cops, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #42
No country anywhere anytime has ever eliminated violent crime EX500rider Jul 2021 #47
No country has tried. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #48
Nonsense, all countries try to eliminate or lower violent crime. EX500rider Jul 2021 #51
I'll be more specific, no country has tried a holistic model that embraces things we know work WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #54
Well for one countries can't afford to just give people everything they need. EX500rider Jul 2021 #57
The resources that go toward a violent and reactive system of policing can go a long way toward WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #58
No I don't think it would EX500rider Jul 2021 #59
Yeah, not as a cash disbursement. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #60
I don't agree at all. The idea that we can fix crime with social programs is nave at best. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #68
It's not only social programs. It would require a fundamental change in how we relate to each WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #79
I'm sorry Dorian Gray Jul 2021 #76
Decades of reform have gotten us to where we are today -- still dealing with cop violence WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #78
Minority communities Dorian Gray Jul 2021 #85
It's not clear that more minorities in a police force reduces cop violence. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #86
I'll take half of rapists go to jail over none. EX500rider Jul 2021 #49
What sort of things would achieve that stat? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #52
You want to lose elections forever than run on abolishing the police. You have to have a police Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #38
I don't see abolishing the police as an electoral politics issue. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #43
It is a political issue. Clyburn who knows his stuff said 'defunding' the police lost us house Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #66
What I'm saying is, I acknowledge that running on a message of "abolishing the police" is a WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #80
That "De-fund The Police" thing was a gift-wrapped present to our enemies. Paladin Jul 2021 #4
Clean what up? Tndem615 Jul 2021 #11
Lots of luck attaining that "less law enforcement" status... Paladin Jul 2021 #18
"And the marginalized segment of our population will be paying the most for it." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #33
This is total BS Dorian Gray Jul 2021 #77
And it was never a policy of the Democratic Party ChrisF1961 Jul 2021 #24
Word. (nt) Paladin Jul 2021 #28
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... and there are STILL people on DU saying DTP *CAME* from democratic party uponit7771 Jul 2021 #55
Prominent Democrats had it on their websites...and it hurt us. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #67
Yes they did. betsuni Jul 2021 #73
This is false, the "gift wrap" was not responding to GQP lies about DTP uponit7771 Jul 2021 #29
The stupid wording "defund the police"... Silent3 Jul 2021 #75
Then we need to control what protesters say? DTP wasn't a democratic slogan and only a few ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #81
Of course we can't control what protesters say Silent3 Jul 2021 #82
... or we could come up with a messaging platform that responds to GQP lies and not allow them uponit7771 Jul 2021 #83
The Republican messaging maching works as well as it does... Silent3 Jul 2021 #84
Let's just have more effective police. C_U_L8R Jul 2021 #5
This can be Tndem615 Jul 2021 #12
You will always need police, and prison etc. But I think our laws are draconian myself...hang them Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #39
Whoever came up with Cosmo Blues Jul 2021 #6
The persons pushing this stupid slogan are in deep blue districts LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #17
Wasn't that Eric Adams Cosmo Blues Jul 2021 #19
People who continue the lie that democrats came up with the slogan are repeating RWTPs uponit7771 Jul 2021 #34
"Defund The Police"..... quickesst Jul 2021 #8
Democrats didn't come up with the slogan it was that of the oppressed and just like CRT the GQP make uponit7771 Jul 2021 #35
I did not say.... quickesst Jul 2021 #65
Lots of Democrats certainly do want to defund the police. David__77 Jul 2021 #10
You are correct. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #20
+1, that's why EACH democrat should define themselves on the issue PERIOD and if its not dtp then uponit7771 Jul 2021 #37
This doesn't change the fact, it is a losing message and will only make things worse when the Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #40
Yes, but the phrase is such a good political tool, the right will keep hammering the lie. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #13
Then we need to get in front of their lying with the solid stance on the issue. The world protested uponit7771 Jul 2021 #50
Defund the police was a very stupid slogan that cost democrats a number of seats LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #14
Pellucidly clear malaise Jul 2021 #15
That was really an error in wording. I had to do a lot of scramblin to figure what was being said LizBeth Jul 2021 #16
I wish Aunt Crabby was correct. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #21
What we say is this is a fringe idea and most Democrats do not favor defunding the police. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #41
Then why continue to defend the phrase? Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #62
I don't defend it...I sent a pointed letter to a prominent Democratic house member who had it Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #69
Correct but the capital (D)emocratic party does not want that. What pisses me off is democrats run uponit7771 Jul 2021 #56
There is a distinction, though - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #61
Its not part of the Sgent Jul 2021 #70
Only because there was little to no relative response. They two studies show the GQP spent ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #72
Well if the GOP wins then POC color will be worse off. And the Black families I know Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #71
Some do however. For example, Rashida Tlaib, who represents a district in Detroit in my region. MichMan Jul 2021 #22
Sure, why would anybody want poor rapists' and murderers to go to jai? lol EX500rider Jul 2021 #26
Rashida Talib is not the democratic party she's one member of it. Just like we can't define GQP as uponit7771 Jul 2021 #32
The OP said "Democrats" MichMan Jul 2021 #44
She's a democrat (singular) and doesn't represent the sentiment of the Democratic party ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #45
Where did I ever say she represented the sentiment of the party ? MichMan Jul 2021 #46
Got it, I took Democratic to mean the party. I do agree some want the policy of defund the police in uponit7771 Jul 2021 #53
Yeah don't see the point of that post. Kingofalldems Jul 2021 #63
Whenever a post begins with sarisataka Jul 2021 #23
***DEMOCRATS DID NOT COME UP WITH OR COMMIT TO DEFUND THE POLICE*** People pushing uponit7771 Jul 2021 #30
That slogan's no better unfortunately. gulliver Jul 2021 #64
Jim Clyburn is amazing LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #74
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