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Ms. Toad

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62. Then why continue to defend the phrase?

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:55 PM

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Let's (be) perfectly clear... Democrats do not want to de-fund the police... [View all] Soph0571 Jul 2021 OP

YES!!! n/t KarenS Jul 2021 #1

"De-brutalize" makes no sense. The institution itself, whose primary function is protecting WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #2

Absolutely Tndem615 Jul 2021 #3

...and your alternative solution is.....? brooklynite Jul 2021 #7

The short answer is take the resources we pour into policing and instead fund things we know WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #9

So psychopaths' and rapists just need their "needs" met and they will be good citizens.. EX500rider Jul 2021 #25

See: Trump, Donald brooklynite Jul 2021 #27

We actually know what causes a lot of crime. When it comes to rape and sexual assault, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #31

"rape will go down." is not the same as "will disappear" Will still need police. EX500rider Jul 2021 #36

It always cracks me up when people use rape as an example for why we need cops, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #42

No country anywhere anytime has ever eliminated violent crime EX500rider Jul 2021 #47

No country has tried. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #48

Nonsense, all countries try to eliminate or lower violent crime. EX500rider Jul 2021 #51

I'll be more specific, no country has tried a holistic model that embraces things we know work WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #54

Well for one countries can't afford to just give people everything they need. EX500rider Jul 2021 #57

The resources that go toward a violent and reactive system of policing can go a long way toward WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #58

No I don't think it would EX500rider Jul 2021 #59

Yeah, not as a cash disbursement. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #60

I don't agree at all. The idea that we can fix crime with social programs is nave at best. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #68

It's not only social programs. It would require a fundamental change in how we relate to each WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #79

I'm sorry Dorian Gray Jul 2021 #76

Decades of reform have gotten us to where we are today -- still dealing with cop violence WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #78

Minority communities Dorian Gray Jul 2021 #85

It's not clear that more minorities in a police force reduces cop violence. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #86

I'll take half of rapists go to jail over none. EX500rider Jul 2021 #49

What sort of things would achieve that stat? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #52

You want to lose elections forever than run on abolishing the police. You have to have a police Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #38

I don't see abolishing the police as an electoral politics issue. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #43

It is a political issue. Clyburn who knows his stuff said 'defunding' the police lost us house Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #66

What I'm saying is, I acknowledge that running on a message of "abolishing the police" is a WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #80

That "De-fund The Police" thing was a gift-wrapped present to our enemies. Paladin Jul 2021 #4

Clean what up? Tndem615 Jul 2021 #11

Lots of luck attaining that "less law enforcement" status... Paladin Jul 2021 #18

"And the marginalized segment of our population will be paying the most for it." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #33

This is total BS Dorian Gray Jul 2021 #77

And it was never a policy of the Democratic Party ChrisF1961 Jul 2021 #24

Word. (nt) Paladin Jul 2021 #28

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... and there are STILL people on DU saying DTP *CAME* from democratic party uponit7771 Jul 2021 #55

Prominent Democrats had it on their websites...and it hurt us. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #67

Yes they did. betsuni Jul 2021 #73

This is false, the "gift wrap" was not responding to GQP lies about DTP uponit7771 Jul 2021 #29

The stupid wording "defund the police"... Silent3 Jul 2021 #75

Then we need to control what protesters say? DTP wasn't a democratic slogan and only a few ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #81

Of course we can't control what protesters say Silent3 Jul 2021 #82

... or we could come up with a messaging platform that responds to GQP lies and not allow them uponit7771 Jul 2021 #83

The Republican messaging maching works as well as it does... Silent3 Jul 2021 #84

Let's just have more effective police. C_U_L8R Jul 2021 #5

This can be Tndem615 Jul 2021 #12

You will always need police, and prison etc. But I think our laws are draconian myself...hang them Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #39

Whoever came up with Cosmo Blues Jul 2021 #6

The persons pushing this stupid slogan are in deep blue districts LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #17

Wasn't that Eric Adams Cosmo Blues Jul 2021 #19

People who continue the lie that democrats came up with the slogan are repeating RWTPs uponit7771 Jul 2021 #34

"Defund The Police"..... quickesst Jul 2021 #8

Democrats didn't come up with the slogan it was that of the oppressed and just like CRT the GQP make uponit7771 Jul 2021 #35

I did not say.... quickesst Jul 2021 #65

Lots of Democrats certainly do want to defund the police. David__77 Jul 2021 #10

You are correct. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #20

+1, that's why EACH democrat should define themselves on the issue PERIOD and if its not dtp then uponit7771 Jul 2021 #37

This doesn't change the fact, it is a losing message and will only make things worse when the Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #40

Yes, but the phrase is such a good political tool, the right will keep hammering the lie. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #13

Then we need to get in front of their lying with the solid stance on the issue. The world protested uponit7771 Jul 2021 #50

Defund the police was a very stupid slogan that cost democrats a number of seats LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #14

Pellucidly clear malaise Jul 2021 #15

That was really an error in wording. I had to do a lot of scramblin to figure what was being said LizBeth Jul 2021 #16

I wish Aunt Crabby was correct. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #21

What we say is this is a fringe idea and most Democrats do not favor defunding the police. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #41

Then why continue to defend the phrase? Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #62

I don't defend it...I sent a pointed letter to a prominent Democratic house member who had it Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #69

Correct but the capital (D)emocratic party does not want that. What pisses me off is democrats run uponit7771 Jul 2021 #56

There is a distinction, though - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #61

Its not part of the Sgent Jul 2021 #70

Only because there was little to no relative response. They two studies show the GQP spent ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #72

Well if the GOP wins then POC color will be worse off. And the Black families I know Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #71

Some do however. For example, Rashida Tlaib, who represents a district in Detroit in my region. MichMan Jul 2021 #22

Sure, why would anybody want poor rapists' and murderers to go to jai? lol EX500rider Jul 2021 #26

Rashida Talib is not the democratic party she's one member of it. Just like we can't define GQP as uponit7771 Jul 2021 #32

The OP said "Democrats" MichMan Jul 2021 #44

She's a democrat (singular) and doesn't represent the sentiment of the Democratic party ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #45

Where did I ever say she represented the sentiment of the party ? MichMan Jul 2021 #46

Got it, I took Democratic to mean the party. I do agree some want the policy of defund the police in uponit7771 Jul 2021 #53

Yeah don't see the point of that post. Kingofalldems Jul 2021 #63

Whenever a post begins with sarisataka Jul 2021 #23

***DEMOCRATS DID NOT COME UP WITH OR COMMIT TO DEFUND THE POLICE*** People pushing uponit7771 Jul 2021 #30

That slogan's no better unfortunately. gulliver Jul 2021 #64

Jim Clyburn is amazing LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #74