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cab67

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21. African origins aren't as new as many think.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 05:33 PM
Jul 2021

Darwin himself argued that human roots are to be found in Africa, where our closest living relatives (chimps and gorillas) can be found. He wasn't the only one who thought that way.

It's true that this wasn't the only perception. In fact, it might not have even been the majority perception. But from the late 19th century, African origins had always been considered, if not fully adopted.

Failure to accept it probably does reflect racism. The American-Asiatic Expeditions to the Gobi in the 1920's are famous for having discovered the first nests of dinosaur eggs and some animals we now see as iconic, including Velociraptor. But for some who promoted or even directed the expeditions were really trying to trace human origins, which they thought were in Asia rather than Africa. But even here, its racist overtones are uneven; some of these people were hard-core white supremacists, but others (e.g. William Diller Matthew) thought all modern mammal groups arose in Asia, and that humans - being a mammal group - would logically be one of them. I don't think people like W.D. Matthew expected to find what we would now call hominins (humans and such), but rather primates along their stem lineage - so I don't know how hostile they'd have been to the concept of these purported Asian ancestors dispersing to Africa, becoming more human, and then infesting the rest of the planet.

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Many years ago a white Christian fundamentalist said to me (also white): enough Jul 2021 #1
Two coworkers from India, a married couple, argued... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #5
You are absolutely right about the genetics and pigmentation. But all they want is some easy way to erronis Jul 2021 #12
When they were getting so upset, I just dropped it. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #19
Thanks for posting that! Nt raccoon Jul 2021 #38
All people outside of Africa have Neanderthal DNA lunatica Jul 2021 #53
Yep - same crap everywhere malaise Jul 2021 #41
"No, you are descended from a jackal." roamer65 Jul 2021 #13
Ignorance on his part. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #57
Maybe now, for some people. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #2
It seems as though any number of Native American groups make that claim. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #4
The geneticist politely dropped the subject... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #6
"Any number of Native American groups" wnylib Jul 2021 #51
Oh, I do know there are various Native American groups. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #54
Of course they don't get wnylib Jul 2021 #58
African origins aren't as new as many think. cab67 Jul 2021 #21
Darwin was definitely a very bright "big picture" guy. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #23
This last point has been central to ongoing legal disputes. cab67 Jul 2021 #25
Yeah, dealing with long-held beliefs in a respectful way... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #30
I agree that the original objection to evolution wnylib Jul 2021 #28
Oh, I agree! Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #32
Without their religion and their bibles these folks have nothing but fear. Chainfire Jul 2021 #3
Well put. They ostensibly deny death but know it will obliterate them totally. erronis Jul 2021 #14
Great post malaise Jul 2021 #43
And if evolution deniers were among the 84-91% of humans who are NOT white? Hortensis Jul 2021 #7
But... LifeLongDemocratic Jul 2021 #8
Oh, not at ALL! This is the post-truth world. My guess is that Hortensis Jul 2021 #10
The article is more or less about the USA, and mainly American education muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #34
Poor science education is a big part of it. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #39
Far too often the biology teacher in a given high school PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #55
Reminds me of my teacher in 6th grade. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #60
Impressive! (And disappointing about the teachers.) Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #61
It's because of the technological advantage... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #15
Meh, essentially it is just irrationality. misanthrope Jul 2021 #9
Of course it is. roamer65 Jul 2021 #11
Bingo!! Duppers Jul 2021 #17
LOL! ShazzieB Jul 2021 #44
I mean . . . TimeToGo Jul 2021 #16
+1000 wnylib Jul 2021 #45
I've met AA creationists, and it's hard for me to count them "white supremacist". D23MIURG23 Jul 2021 #18
Good points. Totally agree. wnylib Jul 2021 #46
not sure I buy it. cab67 Jul 2021 #20
Thank you for a clear, fact-based post. wnylib Jul 2021 #47
Well of course, we all come from mitochondrial Eve in Africa onetexan Jul 2021 #22
As a man, I'm offended! Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #27
Way back then there wasn't a distinction as Black or Caucasian or Oriental erronis Jul 2021 #52
If we go by denial of evolution is white supremacy... LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #24
And that would be a myth, as unrelated wnylib Jul 2021 #48
Try mentioning the fossil record... Harker Jul 2021 #26
Lol not every bad thing is white supremacy Loki Liesmith Jul 2021 #29
I imagine the corollary is true as well... LanternWaste Jul 2021 #36
I did a DNA test. cate94 Jul 2021 #31
I get so tired of seeing the classic wnylib Jul 2021 #49
Exactly! N/t cate94 Jul 2021 #50
Interesting. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #56
They recently sent an update cate94 Jul 2021 #65
I can fully accept the development of the hilariously misnamed "creation science" as Warpy Jul 2021 #33
Lol, yeah... that happened too. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #35
Huh, that's funny. Dr. Strange Jul 2021 #37
That's a dangerous attitude too. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #40
What on earth is this doing in *Scientific* American? Sympthsical Jul 2021 #42
'It's just a bunch "White people bad, now let's get those clicks!"' is a complete load of bollocks muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #59
Except that was NOT the main complaint... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #63
When one flings shit, expect it to be flung back Sympthsical Jul 2021 #64
Great article. I never thought it that but it makes a lot of sense. Nt raccoon Jul 2021 #62
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