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Apollo Zeus

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14. Both of the docs I linked to are in the more modern style
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:03 PM
Jul 2021

They use primary sources, the subjects in their own words, to tell the story. There is no narrator. They may present conflicting views and leave it to the viewer to sort out. The makers may not know the ending when they start. For example, a documentary was made recently which started out by following 4 women recently diagnosed with breast cancer -- 2 were insured and 2 were not insured. The filmmakers followed them not knowing what the outcomes would be.

The doc on James Baldwin although made in 2017, uses only the words of James Baldwin. It gains power and impact by being as intimate and personal as it can be. There is no comforting narrator to tell us that everything worked out -- no "splaining" only the raw experience and Baldwin's perspective.

There is nothing wrong with Ken Burns style and I like his docs but I don't find them as engaging as those that are confident enough to let the subjects tell the story in their own words.

Others have criticized his exclusion of non-white perspectives across his variety of worthy subjects:

the omission of Latin Jazz from nineteen hours of Jazz. There were serious questions raised by Native American and Latino advocacy groups that Ken had skipped over the role that their veterans played in seven episodes of The War. It got so bad that members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus brought up the omission with PBS, which backed Burns, causing Senator Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) to remark that “the way PBS has handled this since the issue was raised has left a lot to be desired.”

Another historian, Martin Blatt, who worked at the National Service hosted a roundtable of colleagues to analyze problems with National Parks: American’s Best Idea and among many conclusions were observations that Native Americans might not have shared the sentiment in the title, given they were evicted from their tribal lands to make way for this bestest of ideas. Not much about this in twelve hours of running time.

https://observer.com/2016/08/chronically-overrated-the-ken-burns-effect/

That is a matter of subject rather than style but it fits with the idea that his documentaries play well with a certain audience and with corporate sponsors and that is style is tame and safe rather even when there is ample opportunity to tell more of the under-told stories in a more inclusive way.

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I have heard Ken Burns at St. Louis Speaker Series years ago Sherman A1 Jul 2021 #1
Burns documentary style is old school Apollo Zeus Jul 2021 #7
New wave docs v old school ones like Burns' is all a revelation to me. brush Jul 2021 #13
Both of the docs I linked to are in the more modern style Apollo Zeus Jul 2021 #14
Thanks for laying this all out so well. I am now aware... brush Jul 2021 #16
I'm working on a documentary now so I have been obsessed with Apollo Zeus Jul 2021 #18
Hey, thanks for adding so much to this thread, and good luck... brush Jul 2021 #22
I'm not a part of the documentary film community so this... brush Jul 2021 #12
Same Here! ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #15
I am not anti Ken Burns Sherman A1 Jul 2021 #26
Here Goes Norbert Jul 2021 #2
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Oscar Wilde, Bobby Kennedy, Bill Hicks, and George Carlin on the dead side of the table. Efilroft Sul Jul 2021 #6
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not forgetting Ted Bundy. speak easy Jul 2021 #24
I would add Mark Twain to the list. Kingofalldems Jul 2021 #25
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