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kabelad

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87. hmmmm

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:12 PM

Jul 2021

its just not that easy.

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/exploration-survival/does-bear-spray-work/

this guy wasn't off trail, and how would bear spray have made a difference?

https://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/survival/animal-attacks/2009/08/charging-grizzly-killed-alaska/

personally, in the states, I never carry a firearm hiking. I've hiked the AT, pinhote, palmetto trail (swamp fox passage) parts of PCT and Colorado trail along with hiking all over smaller trails. at home in Colorado, I've never felt the need to carry a firearm, and never had a problem. walked up on plenty wildlife unawares.
in Alaska, I carried bear spray. never had to use it. closest I got to a brown bear in the day was 100 feet. he/she wasn't interested in me thankfully.

but I would never dismiss anyone that wanted to carry a firearm for their safety in the woods. attacks happen, and sometimes they are blind sided and don't have time for some textbook taught encounter.

I live in the woods way away from pavement, and nature visits daily. in most cases if you don't do stupid human things, the wildlife stays wild and will ignore you.

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Man shoots grizzly bear sow that charged him near trail off Chena Hot Springs Road (Alaska) [View all] Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 OP

I call bullshit. we can do it Jul 2021 #1

Based upon what, exactly? The Alaska State Troopers are backing his story. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #3

Alaska State Troopers don't share your opinion, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #4

They didn't witness it, they're going on bear shooters story. we can do it Jul 2021 #8

The shooter was in a remote area.... secondwind Jul 2021 #11

Exactly. Gun humping asshole. we can do it Jul 2021 #12

Judge much? nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #32

Hiking in bear country in Alaska- a hi powered rifle is a good idea. nt EX500rider Jul 2021 #116

How old is his son? The story didn't say. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #14

OMG, he took his son sarisataka Jul 2021 #21

I do Zeitghost Jul 2021 #23

Pretty much everyone in Alaska DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #111

Ok, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #27

Unless he had his dick, er um gun already in hand, it's unlikely he'd have time to shoot. we can do it Jul 2021 #33

Again, you know this...............how? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #35

Try taking a class on back country wildlife / hiking safety and get back to me. we can do it Jul 2021 #36

And there you go again, wild speculating, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #38

Whatever that means. I do extended back country hikes and have seen grizzlies and black bears. we can do it Jul 2021 #45

And just what makes you think that I haven't? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #49

No no no! Don't stop, please keep this discussion going! Devil Child Jul 2021 #52

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #54

That's racist sarisataka Jul 2021 #37

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #39

ok whatever we can do it Jul 2021 #42

Ha! Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #46

That's a bingo! Devil Child Jul 2021 #53

Per another story I just found, that is not the case. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #43

Lol? As an Alaska resident DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #18

It's important to know why bears charge Bucky Jul 2021 #121

Poachers Zeitghost Jul 2021 #24

CYA, bear walked away. we can do it Jul 2021 #26

Yep Sgent Jul 2021 #115

If the guy was a poacher and didn't possess the carcass, why even admit to shooting at it? TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #108

... Kali Jul 2021 #2

A mother bear with her cub is a dangerous thing... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #5

+1, I still wonder why mother bears see humans as a threat other than "humans are stupid ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #17

They startle them and get between mother and cub. we can do it Jul 2021 #40

👍🏿 uponit7771 Jul 2021 #58

👍🏿 uponit7771 Jul 2021 #59

It's instinct. They know that we are apex predators. Bucky Jul 2021 #122

Protecting her cub Bayard Jul 2021 #6

Which precautions did he not follow? Nothing in the story indicates he was careless. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #7

He was in a remote area...OFF A TRAIL secondwind Jul 2021 #9

Per the story, he was near the trail. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #13

Which is what 99.999999% of Alaska happens to be DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #19

Amen to that. onethatcares Jul 2021 #31

I was charged on a job site up at Kotz DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #50

the wilderness between Anchorage and Fairbanks onethatcares Jul 2021 #57

So bears won't attack you on a trail....good to know...lol EX500rider Jul 2021 #117

All of them. we can do it Jul 2021 #34

Just for the record DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #51

A few weeks every summer. we can do it Jul 2021 #56

Are we not gonna have to hear your story about how long do you have? USALiberal Jul 2021 #94

More info we can do it Jul 2021 #60

Yeah? So? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #61

You have never even seen a grizzly outside of a zoo DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #66

I have, twice fairly close. we can do it Jul 2021 #67

Well I had one in the fucking parking lot DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #69

How do you know that exactly? we can do it Jul 2021 #71

Because I have bear safety training as part of my job every year DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #88

Link to classes please! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #97

It's in person DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #103

I mean to sign up! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #104

It's a government trainer DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #131

Thank you! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Devil Child Jul 2021 #105

A parking lot, wow. Must have been close to a building. we can do it Jul 2021 #92

Did you have to open fire with your guns? Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #95

Post removed Post removed Jul 2021 #100

It was a serious question, or did they just leave? Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #101

I have been charged- yes! DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #106

I have been charged- yes! DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #107

Probably not making a sound and startling bear. we can do it Jul 2021 #10

It's very easy to avoid all types of bears, even Grizzlies. . . Journeyman Jul 2021 #16

I agree. Another shoot first asshole. we can do it Jul 2021 #20

And you know this.........how? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #28

Chill fella... the bear is dead and the guy with the gun walks w/o a scratch LanternWaste Jul 2021 #125

"Son, I say, son . . ." Journeyman Jul 2021 #44

LOL PTWB Jul 2021 #90

Live up here for 20 years DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #68

Post #44, just above yours . . . Journeyman Jul 2021 #70

LOL! Bayard Jul 2021 #113

HA! That's a good one, lol DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #119

Is this you? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #30

How about bears learn this: Polybius Jul 2021 #47

This gun humper carries both Devil Child Jul 2021 #72

Per the 2nd story, he tried yelling at the bear (which didn't work), drew his revolver, and waited Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #75

Yelling after he startled it. we can do it Jul 2021 #76

It's Alaska. One can startle a bear unexpectedly virtually anywher. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #78

Judging by the comments BGBD Jul 2021 #15

SMDH we can do it Jul 2021 #22

I blame Disney. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #25

So your idea is to make cartoons that kill people? Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #102

The only cartoon I know of that kills people is Judge Doom. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #109

It would seem so, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #29

In most human vs predator cases sarisataka Jul 2021 #81

Let's not forget: Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #83

You are omitting my favorite, death penalty for "trespassing" on mother nature's turf Devil Child Jul 2021 #112

Apparently we are allowed to go outside sarisataka Jul 2021 #127

Someone just chimed in with #2. That didn't take long.... Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #139

It isn't "a bunch of posters", it's just ONE know it all DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #118

eh... BGBD Jul 2021 #120

More details: Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #41

I don't live in Alaska, but pretty sure I wouldn't mistake a bear for a moose! Treefrog Jul 2021 #82

He did say he only did so for a moment. Perhaps it was in cover when he first spotted it. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #84

I guess. At any rate, this thread is a hoot! Treefrog Jul 2021 #85

If they are in the alders and head is down DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #114

Good point. Treefrog Jul 2021 #129

Thank you for the additional info Devil Child Jul 2021 #86

I assume you posted this to make some type of pro gun statement. USALiberal Jul 2021 #48

Beyond "guns are useful tools with which to defend one's self against bears", I don't find the story Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #55

Guns are less effective than bear spray against bears. we can do it Jul 2021 #64

Not in this case. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #65

He didn't even try, neither needed to be injured. we can do it Jul 2021 #74

The bear was charging him. What should he have done differently when it was within 10 yards? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #77

Aaaannnndddd again, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #99

Perhaps because the average person will find spray far easier to use than a handgun in the class of Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #73

You say that like it is a bad-thing. This story is a real example of why I support open-carry laws. Devil Child Jul 2021 #62

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #63

One more person who doesn't know what he's talking about. we can do it Jul 2021 #79

That is great to read, if anyone here was arguing against the utility of bear-spray. Devil Child Jul 2021 #80

hmmmm kabelad Jul 2021 #87

It would make a difference to the bear, who was in her home we can do it Jul 2021 #89

in reality kabelad Jul 2021 #98

In reality, onethatcares Jul 2021 #124

And at our bear safety course DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #110

Brass shotgun slugs? Isn't that a bit...exotic? They can't be common. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #135

Yes. You don't want a bullet that mushrooms DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #136

This generated way more discussion sarisataka Jul 2021 #91

Good on him for being prepared. BusterMove Jul 2021 #93

I completely agree. In all likelihood, he saved the life of both himself and his son. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #96

No doubt, a lot of people will pretend no other options existed. LanternWaste Jul 2021 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Jul 2021 #123

Looks like a gungeon thread from here. Kingofalldems Jul 2021 #128

Nah. In the Gungeon most would be debating the pros and cons of .44 Magnum vs. .454 Casull. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #130

Agreed... Ohio Joe Jul 2021 #134

LOL, what is this thread . . . Sympthsical Jul 2021 #133

Lmaooooo this fuckin' thread WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #137

How dare he shoot that magnificent animal? totodeinhere Jul 2021 #138

What do you suggest he should have done as he was being charged? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #140

One does not simply walk off the trail in Alaska. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #141