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Zorra

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133. LOL! I was only pointing out what is totally obvious.

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:42 PM

Jan 2012

You are a straight white American male that has never experienced what it is like to be less than equal to others on any type of longer term basis.

This is transparent; and is readily apparent from your posts.

Sorry you took it as an insult.

I'm also sorry that you cannot comprehend how women can be considered a minority. A large number of men, white male American men included, including the majority of the progressive/liberal guys here at DU, clearly understand how and why women are a minority.

As a matter of fact, this was written by such a progressive/liberal man. -

(one last shot at it before I give up)

What is a Minority Group?

A subordinate group whose members have significantly less control or power over their lives than members of a dominant or majority group

Not limited to mathematical minority: example women, Blacks in South Africa, Blacks in Mississippi and South Carolina in the 1920's.

Interchangeable with subordinate group

A group that experiences a narrowing of opportunities (success, education, wealth, etc) that is disproportionately low compared to their numbers in the society

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/minor01.htm

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"Normal" sexuality? [View all] redqueen Jan 2012 OP

Women aren't a minority. Full stop. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #1

Except in China FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #2

In the context of sociological discussions, the word 'minority' does not refer to numbers. redqueen Jan 2012 #3

"In the context of sociological discussions, the word 'minority' does not refer to numbers." LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #6

I grew up in a house hold where the bumper sticker that read jorno67 Jan 2012 #35

I have news for you. "Your" world is not THE world... redqueen Jan 2012 #37

well thank you for the update jorno67 Jan 2012 #39

You're still not getting it. redqueen Jan 2012 #41

But what then is the individual within the society to do? MrCoffee Jan 2012 #49

Well what do we do about racism? redqueen Jan 2012 #53

This is what you're up against MrCoffee Jan 2012 #69

Well... you gotta start somewhere. redqueen Jan 2012 #75

I've been through this stuff with you before... jorno67 Jan 2012 #51

Do you even understand what 'macro level' means? redqueen Jan 2012 #54

yep - I sure do. jorno67 Jan 2012 #56

Your point was about micro level anecdotes. redqueen Jan 2012 #64

It is a bunch of micro-levels Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #73

I totally agree. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #130

well said! jorno67 Jan 2012 #143

Inconveniently, "The" dictionary is "the dictionary". lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #95

I live in a family of very formidible women. hunter Jan 2012 #84

then why did i never hear aparthied era s. african blacks called a "minority"? arely staircase Jan 2012 #132

Minority rights. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #59

So why are they treated like one. Question mark. KamaAina Jan 2012 #79

By whom? The OP? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #94

By society KamaAina Jan 2012 #129

Numerically in the context of the institutional power structure: loyalsister Jan 2012 #98

Then boys are a minority. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #103

compared to? loyalsister Jan 2012 #109

No, males can't ever be in the minority because they are the dominate group Major Nikon Jan 2012 #127

Women are not a minority in the United States of America. LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #4

FFS... really? redqueen Jan 2012 #5

No, women are not a numerical minority. They are however a nondominant group in our culture. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #9

But that is no longer true Harmony Blue Jan 2012 #68

Increases, yes. Equality, no. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #71

That worm is turning Major Nikon Jan 2012 #128

Because the issue being discussed requires accepting the false premise. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #104

But we make less money than men JustAnotherGen Jan 2012 #24

Men were hit much harder by the recent recession than women. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #32

Ah yes, as always, but what about the men?! redqueen Jan 2012 #46

Well that's the thing. Equality is a math term, and it requires values on both sides to evaluate. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #99

equality is in the Scandinavian countries. ... i dont know that i necessarily believe that. seabeyond Jan 2012 #7

I was being generous. redqueen Jan 2012 #8

So is all sexuality abnormal? MrCoffee Jan 2012 #10

There is no normal/abnormal. Just society as a fluid, dynamic collection of behavior and preference. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #13

I should learn to read...starting with redqueen's 3rd paragraph MrCoffee Jan 2012 #15

We can use the term, but we just have to be careful about the context. redqueen Jan 2012 #14

Thank you MrCoffee Jan 2012 #16

Ha, no... it was a good question! redqueen Jan 2012 #19

Society and the power dynamics therein are fluid and able to be shaped. You have RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #11

Thank you. redqueen Jan 2012 #43

The reason why most people tune out Feminists Harmony Blue Jan 2012 #12

Still with the numerical minority nonsense? Really? redqueen Jan 2012 #17

no, the reason people tune out the feminists is because they are speaking hard truths--and sometimes niyad Jan 2012 #21

women are getting better education compared to the past, of course. Whisp Jan 2012 #22

people tune out feminists because of 24/7 hate radio Tumbulu Jan 2012 #25

True JustAnotherGen Jan 2012 #27

Believe it or not even feminists tune out other feminists Major Nikon Jan 2012 #47

Your flippant method of dismissing "feminists" MattBaggins Jan 2012 #78

You said "thrust upon them" Major Nikon Jan 2012 #126

We all have our own personal definitions of normal and of perverted. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #18

Sexuality is a minefield, it's true. redqueen Jan 2012 #20

My dear redqueen. Have thee not met perverted women? I cerntainly have. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #33

Again, this isn't about individuals. This is macro level. redqueen Jan 2012 #38

You haven't met my wife. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #40

"I'm not trying to demonize anything people do...as long as it's consensual and involves adults.." arely staircase Jan 2012 #44

It's too bad you didn't understand what I was saying. redqueen Jan 2012 #48

nuance is one thing, self-contradiction is another arely staircase Jan 2012 #50

it is only perverted when OTHER people (meaning dems, libs, etc.,) do it. witness diaper dave, niyad Jan 2012 #23

Well in my definition, both of those fall into the "perverted" category. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #29

K&R Hatchling Jan 2012 #26

I'd like to say it's my pleasure but it's really kinda depressing to be honest. redqueen Jan 2012 #30

It's sad that she's having to raise this kind of conciousness on a liberal Fawke Em Jan 2012 #31

It is sad, but not surprising. redqueen Jan 2012 #42

it's normal for women to be raped, compared to men, statistically. Whisp Jan 2012 #28

I like that term for it... "fantasy normals". redqueen Jan 2012 #36

Normal people don't think that way AngryAmish Jan 2012 #34

I'm being serious with this question: why do we need to define what "normal sexuality" is? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #45

Well this was prompted by someone who implied in another thread... redqueen Jan 2012 #52

Thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #55

No, god no... this isn't about laws. redqueen Jan 2012 #60

Cool. Again, thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #62

since you're posting a call-out thread, go whole hog & give a link Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #65

True. It would differ for each person, and be what makes them happy treestar Jan 2012 #82

sexism will stop once sex does not sell, and I don't mean prostitution Demonaut Jan 2012 #57

Yes, we're barely making baby steps on this issue. redqueen Jan 2012 #61

If we were all robots we wouldn't have to wipe our asses out once per day Major Nikon Jan 2012 #139

no, I stated that it's not going to end and agree with your Demonaut Jan 2012 #145

So what do you consider normal sex? (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #58

This is a macro level discussion. redqueen Jan 2012 #63

"dismiss minority groups' opinions" The Straight Story Jan 2012 #87

I think I would define "normal sexuality" ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #66

Ah but love is not sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #74

the OP could ask women why they put up with the situation and what are they msongs Jan 2012 #67

I could, but I didn't. redqueen Jan 2012 #76

"normal" is a label, an artificial construct. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #70

Ding, ding, ding.... MountainMama Jan 2012 #86

Given that (1) women outnumber men, and (2) women have the vote, Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #72

You have got to be flipping kidding me. redqueen Jan 2012 #77

rq, maybe the problem is, lot of people, not just men, don't/can't understand how Zorra Jan 2012 #89

Using "minority" to describe the majority diminshes the struggle that actual minorities face. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #97

Uh-huh. Obviously, you are a white American male. Zorra Jan 2012 #100

I'm not overly concerned about putting "your poor little mind at ease" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #102

Maybe this will help you to understand redqueen Jan 2012 #111

Did you seriously just say that women in the US are like blacks in apartheid SA? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #113

LOL, you go right on believing that... redqueen Jan 2012 #115

If women can't get elected in this country, they should ask the dominant voting bloc why not. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #119

Right. Environment and the dominant message are meaningless concepts. redqueen Jan 2012 #120

Rendered meaningless by your malpractice with them, yes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #121

Thanks for posting that jeff. nt woolldog Jan 2012 #112

Yes, thanks, I've almost got a full MRA bingo card! redqueen Jan 2012 #114

Not sure what that means. nt woolldog Jan 2012 #117

It means nice sig, be proud. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #122

Oh. Thanks. nt woolldog Jan 2012 #123

LOL! I was only pointing out what is totally obvious. Zorra Jan 2012 #133

you are not subordinate. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #134

Let's try this: Zorra Jan 2012 #137

It's not as easy as pointing to the numbers and saying discrimination is the only answer Major Nikon Jan 2012 #138

AAUW themselves say (in the fine print) after correcting for work hours and experience... lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #144

I think that is it exactly. redqueen Jan 2012 #110

There doesn't seem to be any other rational explanation. Zorra Jan 2012 #135

The dictionary is apparently a tool of the vast patriarchal conspiracy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #96

"Normal" is a perfectly fine word. It is a statistical term meaning "within the norm," the norm yellowcanine Jan 2012 #80

Context. See post #14, or paragraph 3 in the OP. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #81

It was an observation, not a specific response/critique of the OP. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #93

Ok. redqueen Jan 2012 #101

Ever hear of Lola Montez? unionworks Jan 2012 #83

You want me to comment on the 'power' that hot women have redqueen Jan 2012 #105

So "hot" women unionworks Jan 2012 #116

And you obviously know what I'm getting at as well. redqueen Jan 2012 #118

In Pagan Ireland unionworks Jan 2012 #124

Oh yes... that was one time they were. redqueen Jan 2012 #125

See, that's what I'm talking about. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #131

Did you miss the word 'courtesan'? redqueen Jan 2012 #142

"Some people unionworks Jan 2012 #85

Bad Lola Montez! unionworks Jan 2012 #88

Important note: Betty Karlson Jan 2012 #90

Indeed... and those actual statistical minority opinions redqueen Jan 2012 #106

When it comes to the current dominant culture felix_numinous Jan 2012 #91

I agree, however we don't all agree on which behaviors are dysfunctional. redqueen Jan 2012 #107

Thank you so much for making this important point. Withywindle Jan 2012 #92

You are reading me 100% correctly. redqueen Jan 2012 #108

I'm glad, thank you! Withywindle Jan 2012 #140

It shows how bad the problem really is. redqueen Jan 2012 #141

K&R Odin2005 Jan 2012 #136