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Ron Green

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99. Earth IS the one basket.

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:49 AM

Jul 2021

To see escape from our biological home as a response to our failure to control its consumption is not only morally bankrupt, but technically foolish. The amount of additional resources required to keep human bodies alive away from Earth is unlikely to be available on the scale necessary until other planets can be mined for energy or whatever scheme is planned by the accumulators and aggrandizers who have already so depleted this planet.

The hope for humans is to embrace de-growth and steady state economics, or to learn to exist as consciousness outside of physical bodies. I believe the former is more practical.

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Not At All, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #13

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Stephenson's Was, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #44

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From 1957, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #56

The Moon was reached about a decade later, Sir. Blue_true Jul 2021 #83

The Suggestion Was Obvious, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #86

You are wrong. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #54

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One Of The Key Points, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #67

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The High End Liners Were Quicker Than Two Weeks, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #72

You are hearing but not listening. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #74

The Same, Sir, Could Be Said Of You The Magistrate Jul 2021 #76

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