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In reply to the discussion: This is a hell of a paragraph [View all]Jim__
(15,292 posts)4. Is that originally from David Bentley Hart's article in Commonweal?
The full article - Three Cheeers for Socialism.
A little bit longer excerpt than what's in the OP:
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Persons of a reflective bent all too often underestimate the enormous strength that truly abysmal ignorance can bring. Knowledge is power, of course, butmeasured by a purely Darwinian calculustoo much knowledge can be a dangerous weakness. At the level of the social phenotype (so to speak), the qualities often most conducive to survival are prejudice, simplemindedness, blind loyalty, and a militant want of curiosity. These are the virtues that fortify us against doubt or fatal hesitation in moments of crisis. Subtlety and imagination, by contrast, often enfeeble the will; ambiguities dull the instincts. So while it is true that American political thought in the main encompasses a ludicrously minuscule range of live options and consists principally in slogans rather than ideas, this is not necessarily a defect. In a nations struggle to endure and thrive, unthinking obduracy can be a precious advantage.
Even so, I think we occasionally take it all a little too far.
Not long ago, in an op-ed column for the New York Times, I observed that it is foolish to equate (as certain American political commentators frequently do) the sort of democratic socialism currently becoming fashionable in some quarters of this country with the totalitarian state ideologies of the twentieth century, whose chief accomplishments were ruined societies and mountains of corpses. For one thing, socialism is far from a univocal term, and much further from a uniform philosophy. I, for instance, have a deep affection for the tradition of British Christian socialism, which was shaped by such figures as F. D. Maurice (18051872), John Ruskin (18191900), Charles Kingsley (18191875), Thomas Hughes (18221896), F. J. Furnivall (18251910), William Morris (18341896), and R. H. Tawney (18801962), though I have also been influenced by such non-British social thinkers as Sergei Bulgakov (18711944), Dorothy Day (18971980), and E. F. Schumacher (19111977). None of these espoused any kind of statist, technocratic, secular, authoritarian version of socialist economics, and none of them was what we today think of as liberal. And yet their socialist leanings were unmistakable.
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Americans are, of course, the most thoroughly and passively indoctrinated people on earth. They know next to nothing as a rule about their own history, or the histories of other nations, or the histories of the various social movements that have risen and fallen in the past, and they certainly know little or nothing of the complexities and contradictions comprised within words like socialism and capitalism. Chiefly, what they have been trained not to know or even suspect is that, in many ways, they enjoy far fewer freedoms, and suffer under a more intrusive centralized state, than do the citizens of countries with more vigorous social-democratic institutions. This is at once the most comic and most tragic aspect of the excitable alarm that talk of social democracy or democratic socialism can elicit on these shores. An enormous number of Americans have been persuaded to believe that they are freer in the abstract than, say, Germans or Danes precisely because they possess far fewer freedoms in the concrete. They are far more vulnerable to medical and financial crisis, far more likely to receive inadequate health coverage, far more prone to irreparable insolvency, far more unprotected against predatory creditors, far more subject to income inequality, and so forth, while effectively paying more in tax (when one figures in federal, state, local, and sales taxes, and then compounds those by all the expenditures that in this country, as almost nowhere else, their taxes do not cover). One might think that a people who once rebelled against the mightiest empire on earth on the principle of no taxation without representation would not meekly accept taxation without adequate government services. But we accept what we have become used to, I suppose. Even so, one has to ask, what state apparatus in the free world could be more powerful and tyrannical than the one that taxes its citizens while providing no substantial civic benefits in return, solely in order to enrich a piratically overinflated military-industrial complex and to ease the tax burdens of the immensely wealthy?
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That's what you came away with? Wow! I wasn't triggered by this, even though I don't
rainin
Jul 2021
#10
Exactly! We've been indoctrinated thoroughly really since the Reagan administration.
Texin
Jul 2021
#16
It has been there even before Reagan, its just that during Nixon they discovered how ignorant most
Escurumbele
Jul 2021
#54
That is because Mark Twain was not around during trump and the insurrection on January 6, 2021
Escurumbele
Jul 2021
#56
+1, at this point its ***CLEARLY*** MAGA Stupid who think like the OP Paragraph and not the
uponit7771
Jul 2021
#48
I don't think he was generalizing individual people - he's talking about us a nation. A collective.
Rabrrrrrr
Jul 2021
#52
Superb summation, other than semi-conflation of the foundationally different systems of
Celerity
Jul 2021
#3
I love how people romanticize about the 18th, 19th and early 20th Centuries as if they didn't suck.
TheBlackAdder
Jul 2021
#29
I don't claim to be the decider. My opinion is as worthy as you believe yours to be, however.
Budi
Jul 2021
#70
DU Forums are constrained by the restrictions listed in the appropriate "About this forum" section.
Jim__
Jul 2021
#63
David Hart is the author of "Athiest Delusions:The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies"
lapucelle
Jul 2021
#75
Hart also wrote "Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies".
lapucelle
Jul 2021
#78
a lot of this came about in the last 30 years, the direct result of allowing 1500 radio stations
certainot
Jul 2021
#13
Host a high school student from Sweden, Germany, France or Italy in your home for a year
Tommymac
Jul 2021
#41
I've visited our host children and stayed with their families in Europe and SA.
Tommymac
Jul 2021
#89
Yet, we've been given opportunities to 'keep it left', yet fools seem set on giving that away...
Budi
Jul 2021
#27
Yeah, everyone's enslaved except the owners and no one has a clue what's going on
bucolic_frolic
Jul 2021
#33
I don't know that we are the most thoroughly indoctrinated people on Earth,
Lonestarblue
Jul 2021
#36
Mood feels almost like Mark Twain's cynicism of Americans, but the writing style is much newer?
NullTuples
Jul 2021
#45
Three Cheers for Socialism Christian Love & Political Practice By David Bentley Hart Feb 24, 2020
Budi
Jul 2021
#46