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In reply to the discussion: Should hospitals be allowed to turn away patients based on race, creed, suspected gayness... [View all]Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)76. Have you missed all of the studies on aerosolized transmission?
It's been known for months (and the CDC finally acknowledged) that COVID is transmitted by aerosolized matter. 6ft was based on an incorrect assumption of droplet transmission. Transmission can occur by aerosolized matter off much greater distances, and even after the infected person has left the room, since aerosolized matter lingers in the air.
Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from inhalation of virus in the air farther than six feet from an infectious source can occur
With increasing distance from the source, the role of inhalation likewise increases. Although infections through inhalation at distances greater than six feet from an infectious source are less likely than at closer distances, the phenomenon has been repeatedly documented under certain preventable circumstances.10-21 These transmission events have involved the presence of an infectious person exhaling virus indoors for an extended time (more than 15 minutes and in some cases hours) leading to virus concentrations in the air space sufficient to transmit infections to people more than 6 feet away, and in some cases to people who have passed through that space soon after the infectious person left. Per published reports, factors that increase the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection under these circumstances include:
Enclosed spaces with inadequate ventilation or air handling within which the concentration of exhaled respiratory fluids, especially very fine droplets and aerosol particles, can build-up in the air space.
Increased exhalation of respiratory fluids if the infectious person is engaged in physical exertion or raises their voice (e.g., exercising, shouting, singing).
Prolonged exposure to these conditions, typically more than 15 minutes
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With increasing distance from the source, the role of inhalation likewise increases. Although infections through inhalation at distances greater than six feet from an infectious source are less likely than at closer distances, the phenomenon has been repeatedly documented under certain preventable circumstances.10-21 These transmission events have involved the presence of an infectious person exhaling virus indoors for an extended time (more than 15 minutes and in some cases hours) leading to virus concentrations in the air space sufficient to transmit infections to people more than 6 feet away, and in some cases to people who have passed through that space soon after the infectious person left. Per published reports, factors that increase the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection under these circumstances include:
Enclosed spaces with inadequate ventilation or air handling within which the concentration of exhaled respiratory fluids, especially very fine droplets and aerosol particles, can build-up in the air space.
Increased exhalation of respiratory fluids if the infectious person is engaged in physical exertion or raises their voice (e.g., exercising, shouting, singing).
Prolonged exposure to these conditions, typically more than 15 minutes
I thin it is safe to say that a hospital stay is longer than 15 minutes.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html
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Should hospitals be allowed to turn away patients based on race, creed, suspected gayness... [View all]
Hekate
Jul 2021
OP
I treid to make that point earlier. We have to fight our rage and justified resentment.
hlthe2b
Jul 2021
#2
i dont know about this "slope" but it makes no sense to turn them away if they are
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2021
#3
Exactly. If you are unvaccinated, you are voluntarily a danger to staff and patients.
lagomorph777
Jul 2021
#19
At last, someone with a memory. I was thinking both of the early AIDS crisis & the pre-Civil Rights
Hekate
Jul 2021
#51
Oh, I happen to agree that the unvaccinated right now should not be turned away, BUT
Goodheart
Jul 2021
#74
There is solid precedent, btw, in the "conscience clauses" demanded by the Evangelicals ...
Hekate
Jul 2021
#14
I would guess that most people saying that are just venting, because many of us
Crunchy Frog
Jul 2021
#16
My brother, who died last year of COPD, started smoking by age 13. Some people are so judgmental...
Hekate
Jul 2021
#45
As a highly communicable disease threat, they should go to separate COVID facilities.
roamer65
Jul 2021
#28
I read it but your thesis is still crap. Vaccines protect against the Delta virus..
Tomconroy
Jul 2021
#60
No read again. They specifically stated that 6 ft will not work with Delta in one of the articles.
roamer65
Jul 2021
#61
Read all my comments in this thread and you will understand my point, loud and clear
Hekate
Jul 2021
#37
Walking away from anyone who need medical assistance violates the Hippocratic Oath.
meadowlander
Jul 2021
#40
Yet right here at DU we have members demanding that doctors & hospitals do just that
Hekate
Jul 2021
#42
Another perspective on this. Nurses getting abused and threatened by covidiots.
Crunchy Frog
Jul 2021
#71
As I mentioned earlier, DUers. Very, very angry DUers with vengeful thoughts. Okay, not all...
Hekate
Jul 2021
#88