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Bev54

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24. It is the fact of the indoctrination while at the same time believing

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:03 AM

Jul 2021

you are the land of the free, that is something us in other countries have never really understood. In the name of that "Freedom" Americans can not get ahead because it is a mind set that anything different would take that away. It is time for everyone to stop and think rationally, and get rid of the attitude that "we are the best" at everything. The opportunity to be a Great Nation is there but the definitions of the labels gets in the way. It is baffling to me why you do not want better. By the way I have travelled the world and yes there is racism is everywhere but the fact that you throw out what aboutism to justify is a big part of the problem. Citizens of other countries are striving to have better lives and cannot because of the governments; in America it is the people who choose the government. Want to be better then first stop being so self righteous.

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This is a hell of a paragraph [View all] Soph0571 Jul 2021 OP

Hate it when snowybirdie Jul 2021 #1

Add 'in general' after every mention of the American people EYESORE 9001 Jul 2021 #2

Still valid Roy Rolling Jul 2021 #58

That's what you came away with? Wow! I wasn't triggered by this, even though I don't rainin Jul 2021 #10

Yet we find ourselves exactly where the author says we are. paleotn Jul 2021 #11

Exactly! We've been indoctrinated thoroughly really since the Reagan administration. Texin Jul 2021 #16

It has been there even before Reagan, its just that during Nixon they discovered how ignorant most Escurumbele Jul 2021 #54

Even before Nixon. wnylib Jul 2021 #82

As my dad used to say snowybirdie Jul 2021 #38

Lots of statistical data to back up my point. paleotn Jul 2021 #40

As Mark Twain said snowybirdie Jul 2021 #43

That is because Mark Twain was not around during trump and the insurrection on January 6, 2021 Escurumbele Jul 2021 #56

You're kidding, right? paleotn Jul 2021 #62

Great post - I only wish I had the same skill. yonder Jul 2021 #44

you do -just got to be pissed off enough!!! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #83

+1000 chia Jul 2021 #66

+1, at this point its ***CLEARLY*** MAGA Stupid who think like the OP Paragraph and not the uponit7771 Jul 2021 #48

Yeah, and we live in a post-racial world intheflow Jul 2021 #50

I don't think he was generalizing individual people - he's talking about us a nation. A collective. Rabrrrrrr Jul 2021 #52

I hate it because its true. Escurumbele Jul 2021 #53

+100 nt reACTIONary Jul 2021 #81

Superb summation, other than semi-conflation of the foundationally different systems of Celerity Jul 2021 #3

I love how people romanticize about the 18th, 19th and early 20th Centuries as if they didn't suck. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #29

Is that originally from David Bentley Hart's article in Commonweal? Jim__ Jul 2021 #4

Shouldn't this be posted in RELIGION GROUP? Budi Jul 2021 #6

It's not a discussion of just religioin fishwax Jul 2021 #8

Depends. The gif is from the lay Catholic site. Budi Jul 2021 #18

It would seem a bit silly to reply to an OP in GD with a post in Religion. Jim__ Jul 2021 #51

Why it belongs in Religion. Budi Jul 2021 #55

The OP paragraph doesn't mention religion at all muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #59

The Source is tho. The source headline conveniently omitted in the OP. Budi Jul 2021 #60

No, I don't think you understand. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #61

Well since you aren't the decider here looks like it belongs ChubbyStar Jul 2021 #68

I don't claim to be the decider. My opinion is as worthy as you believe yours to be, however. Budi Jul 2021 #70

DU Forums are constrained by the restrictions listed in the appropriate "About this forum" section. Jim__ Jul 2021 #63

The OP is sourced from a Religeous site. Budi Jul 2021 #64

Cite the DU restriction that it violates. DU rules matter, not your opinion. Jim__ Jul 2021 #67

Thanks Jim ChubbyStar Jul 2021 #69

Thanks for providing the source. deurbano Jul 2021 #65

David Hart is the author of "Athiest Delusions:The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies" lapucelle Jul 2021 #75

Well, THAT'S one heck of a sales pitch. Budi Jul 2021 #5

would you please put the source NJCher Jul 2021 #7

Click "more" at the bottom to go to the source. patphil Jul 2021 #12

Here: "Three Cheers for Socialism Christian Love & Political Practice" Budi Jul 2021 #32

Hart also wrote "Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies". lapucelle Jul 2021 #78

+1 area51 Jul 2021 #9

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #28

a lot of this came about in the last 30 years, the direct result of allowing 1500 radio stations certainot Jul 2021 #13

Every country has its problems. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #14

This Is Excellent FrankTC Jul 2021 #15

The opening statements here are ridiculous Sympthsical Jul 2021 #17

Gotta K & R your post. Speaking of 'indoctrination'... Budi Jul 2021 #21

It is the fact of the indoctrination while at the same time believing Bev54 Jul 2021 #24

I agree with the conceit Sympthsical Jul 2021 #25

Host a high school student from Sweden, Germany, France or Italy in your home for a year Tommymac Jul 2021 #41

I lived in Europe for a number of years Sympthsical Jul 2021 #47

I've visited our host children and stayed with their families in Europe and SA. Tommymac Jul 2021 #89

+100 ancianita Jul 2021 #49

Sounds like it was written by a republican n/t frogmarch Jul 2021 #19

Or the DSA. Budi Jul 2021 #22

Yet everyone wants to immigrate here IronLionZion Jul 2021 #20

Yet, we've been given opportunities to 'keep it left', yet fools seem set on giving that away... Budi Jul 2021 #27

It's not what I pay in taxes that's important DanieRains Jul 2021 #23

Americans don't even know what freedom is anymore Johnny2X2X Jul 2021 #26

Well said. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #31

Excellent Post. One of zentrum Jul 2021 #30

Religion & Socialism have their own group. Budi Jul 2021 #34

Yeah, everyone's enslaved except the owners and no one has a clue what's going on bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #33

We don't know who wrote this - but it's a lot of sweeping generalizations FakeNoose Jul 2021 #35

I don't know that we are the most thoroughly indoctrinated people on Earth, Lonestarblue Jul 2021 #36

It's true seta1950 Jul 2021 #37

succinct and disturbingly accurate bringthePaine Jul 2021 #39

Brilliant malaise Jul 2021 #42

Mood feels almost like Mark Twain's cynicism of Americans, but the writing style is much newer? NullTuples Jul 2021 #45

Three Cheers for Socialism Christian Love & Political Practice By David Bentley Hart Feb 24, 2020 Budi Jul 2021 #46

K&R Blue Owl Jul 2021 #57

And, sadly, true. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #71

DURec leftstreet Jul 2021 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #73

To the criticisms, aren't we the most everything? cachukis Jul 2021 #74

MAN, it sure is! calimary Jul 2021 #76

it's by design. We're a nation founded by criminals and slave "owners" ecstatic Jul 2021 #77

"Half the truth is often a great lie." B. Franklin. Actually, Hortensis Jul 2021 #79

Who said this? trof Jul 2021 #80

Whenever I actually think about our society and it's beliefs lunatica Jul 2021 #84

Kick burrowowl Jul 2021 #85

Much of our tax dollars go right to the top. Many of the 1% have to be way in the black on tax brewens Jul 2021 #86

Bullshit. betsuni Jul 2021 #87

Lulz. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #88

As Walter said, "And that's the way it is." As intended. czarjak Jul 2021 #90