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fishwax

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24. I think it's much likelier for economic rather than political reasons
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jul 2021

It can be a tough place to make ends meet, given the high cost of living. And if you've done okay for yourself, and managed to buy a home in California, you can sell it in that market for what is a fortune in a place like Montana. You can buy a huge house and retire early, or live off the income of a part-time job.

I'm reminded of the 30s, when Dust Bowl refugees made their way to California. Back then there were many in California who didn't want them, just like Montana natives now; And, in parallel to your own comment, Will Rogers (the Oklahoma humorist who had moved to Hollywood and hit it big well before the economic crisis) quipped that the hordes of Oklahomans moving to California had raised the collective IQ of both states. I don't think Will Rogers was right about that, though California did benefit from the Joads and their ilk; historically it probably did make California more liberal and it certainly made Oklahoma more conservative.

Anxiety about the influx of Californians in Montana and states like it is deeply connected to the concern that such migrants will make Montana more liberal. There is similar concern about migrants from Oregon or from the East Coast, but California is the most common, both because the numbers have always been biggest and because it makes a handy slogan: you can find "Don't Californicate Montana/Wyoming/Utah/Colorado etc." bumper stickers throughout the Mountain West.

I grew up in the Rocky Mountain West, with time and close connections in Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado, so it's a dynamic I'm completely familiar with. I see folks from my hometown on facebook who are clearly right wing, and they're keeping the California bogeyman alive.

As to the politics of it, someone who voted for, say, Schwarzeneger and Whitman in California stands a good chance of voting for Mike Cooney in Montana.

I've known several people who moved from California to the rocky mountain states--both people back when I was growing up and people who, like me, moved away after high school or college but (unlike me) wound up moving back for whatever reason. As a kid, the folks from California or the coast were almost always more liberal than the norm in my hometown. Among my peers, only one of the examples is not at least fairly liberal--that guy is a libertarian who would've held both party candidates in roughly equal contempt. (He moved out of Montana for the Southeast, but I think it was personal and financial things that motivated him in that case, rather than political.)

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I can imagine the type of California refugees that are moving to Montana. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #1
Unfortunately Montana will suffer BradAllison Jul 2021 #2
No doubt. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #3
Yeah, the horror Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #9
That actually really does suck for a lot of people Withywindle Jul 2021 #15
+1 2naSalit Jul 2021 #35
If I read this correctly....and I could be totally wrong. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #42
I have a different experience jmowreader Jul 2021 #48
Can't imagine what you are going thru....but everyone wants to be where you are. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #50
Ah a taste of what "gentrification" feels like to black inner city dwellers. joetheman Jul 2021 #66
Imagine a next door neighbor who thinks..... BradAllison Jul 2021 #47
It's not that simple susanr516 Jul 2021 #51
I bought a Michigan house a year ago for $41k DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #53
Do you think everyone can own property? Maru Kitteh Jul 2021 #59
It took me until age 50 and moving to an area where it was affordable. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #60
People don't think about what happens to rents when the market inflates. KentuckyWoman Jul 2021 #71
Actually it fucking sucks DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #68
Do tell! Mysterian Jul 2021 #4
What I think is.... OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #6
This 10,000 % msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #18
Waiting you Mysterian's opinion..... OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #21
not counting on it... msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #25
How special of you to wait for my response... Mysterian Jul 2021 #61
I think it's much likelier for economic rather than political reasons fishwax Jul 2021 #24
Most of the Californians I have known who have moved or want to move Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #29
Speaking of 1 and 2 jmowreader Jul 2021 #49
you have to get off the vehicle before you fire Celerity Jul 2021 #54
Oh, come on. That can't be real. jmowreader Jul 2021 #57
My basic point is, if there are California emigres going to Montana....they ain't liberal progressiv OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #31
my point is: in my experience they actually are fishwax Jul 2021 #33
Proof will be in the pudding. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #40
Yep. Agreed. I see a lot of Texans online whining about Californians bringing their liberal politics Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #34
As far as Dallas goes, they're too late DFW Jul 2021 #58
Joke's on them... 2naSalit Jul 2021 #36
Small town people TheFarseer Jul 2021 #5
Same situation happened in Oregon, then Washington, moved over to Idaho, now in Montana . . . Journeyman Jul 2021 #12
I've seen it in VA and NC too Withywindle Jul 2021 #16
Exactly msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #19
Well than keithsw Jul 2021 #14
I haven't sold anything TheFarseer Jul 2021 #28
I've been yammering about this issue for decades, here in Northern California. msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #32
I wonder what is ultimately supposed to happen to working class and middle class people Wingus Dingus Jul 2021 #7
That or go camp in the woods. 2naSalit Jul 2021 #37
There are very few MT natives Bobstandard Jul 2021 #8
My grandfather fled Montana when he was sixteen. hunter Jul 2021 #67
Bozeman is a incredibly beautiful college town... Enter stage left Jul 2021 #10
I've been entertaining the notion, that progressives and liberals might msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #22
We're full time RV'ers that have been looking for a place to buy a lot... Enter stage left Jul 2021 #30
sounds like you're enjoying an interesting and adventuresome life! msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #38
Thank you, we are. Enter stage left Jul 2021 #41
Bozeman is full... 2naSalit Jul 2021 #39
different strokes for different folks... Enter stage left Jul 2021 #43
Bet the Sioux, Crow, et al felt/feel the same way about these "Montana natives" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jul 2021 #11
First lesson from the Oregon influx years ago: change your license plates before moving your car... Hekate Jul 2021 #13
:) For sure. Hortensis Jul 2021 #73
So there will be no dental floss for anyone? Initech Jul 2021 #17
buy a dozen guns, 2 pickup trucks, drink beer til u pass out every night nt msongs Jul 2021 #20
Home prices are exorbitant. The cell phone service can be spotty at best. gldstwmn Jul 2021 #23
Here's an interesting video by a Montanan about moving to Montana A HERETIC I AM Jul 2021 #26
This Montana animosity toward Californians is nothing new. We moved to MT about 20 years ago LaMouffette Jul 2021 #27
Funny story. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #44
Sounds like small-town Montana! Not that Missoula or Bozeman are huge metropolises, but as medium- LaMouffette Jul 2021 #62
Almost came SomewhereInTheMiddle Jul 2021 #75
We moved to Colorado (from Arizona) in 1987. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #45
Same in Washington. My brother lives in Spokane . leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #46
We'll turn Montana blue yet! DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #52
That's the spirit! I hope it happens in my lifetime. LaMouffette Jul 2021 #63
Montana has managed to keep one Democratic senator for a while, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #69
Yes, I do believe there is a good chance for us to go blue. And I keep forgetting to include Helena, LaMouffette Jul 2021 #72
I don't think there is a shortage of land to build on east of Great Falls Klaralven Jul 2021 #55
This is nothing new GusBob Jul 2021 #56
What's new is California-levels of insanely unaffordable housing happening to other states ansible Jul 2021 #70
I think we're seeing Red Mountain Jul 2021 #64
So eventually we'll flip another state blue? Tarc Jul 2021 #65
2 movies from the early 90s helped appalachiablue Jul 2021 #74
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