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Fortinbras Armstrong

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41. The late writer Iain Banks defined libertarianism as
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jul 2021

"A simple-minded right-wing ideology ideally suited to those unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard."

My first objection to libertarianism is that it denies reality. After all, modern libertarianism pretends that only the state intrudes on our liberties. It ignores the role of banks, corporations and the rich in making us less free. It denies the need for the state to curb them in order to protect the freedoms of weaker people. It is the disguise adopted by those who wish to exploit without restraint. It also ignores the libertarian paradise, Somalia.

I know, libertarians will claim that Somalia has nothing to do with libertarianism, and linking the two is a sore point with them. They claim that it isn't true libertarianism, it's anarchy. True libertarians believe in just enough government to protect private property and personal safety; without those protections, they argue, anarchy ensues. The problem is that they cannot point to even one current or historical example of a government that functions as they imagine it should. They have no real world examples, so they ply their arguments as a theoretical construct.

Every example of places with little centralized government is dismissed by libertarians as an anarchistic situation, not a "true" libertarianism. It's the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, Ron Paul edition. The situation in Afghanistan is blamed on 30 years of war and tribal anarchy, rather than the lack of a proper central government. Somalia is blamed again on war, on American intervention, Russian intervention, and on tribal anarchy. Historical examples of feudalism arising in the absence of a centralized state, or dark ages arising after civilization collapses, are dismissed as either irrelevant or invalid because of war and anarchy. The fact that corruption and the Mafia are more prevalent in southern Italy where tax collection and central government are weaker than in the North, is again dismissed as a cultural or anarchistic issue. It's always the same. Libertarianism is an infallible theory of the way things should be, just as Marxism is seen by its adherents. Wherever it fails, it does so because the people weren't ready for it, or there was too much violence to allow it to work, or because the government wasn't powerful enough to protect people from harm.

Libertarians fail to realize that there has never been -- and never will be -- a government that functions according to their principles because it runs entirely contrary to human nature. As any libertarian understands when it comes to authoritarians, power tends to corrupt; and absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you decentralize and remove the modern state, leaving only essentially a glorified police force in charge to protect private property and personal safety, one of two things happens: 1) The central police force turns into a right-wing military dictatorship invested in stamping out all leftist thinking, then appropriating the country's wealth for themselves and their friends (for example, Chile under Pinochet) or 2) All central authority and protection break down completely as power localizes into the hands of local criminals and feudal/tribal warlords with little compunction about abusing and terrorizing the local population (feudal France, Afghanistan, Somalia, western Pakistan, etc.)

The devolution of local authority and taxation into the hands of criminal groups willing to provide a safety net in exchange for their cut of the action is the inevitable result of the breakdown of the government-backed safety net. People want a safety net; they'll either get it from an accountable governmental authority, or from a non-governmental authority of shadowy legality. Both kinds of authority will levy their own form of taxation, be it legal and official, or part of a protection scheme. In its own way, the "No True Libertarianism" argument is very similar to the "No True Communism" of the far left, who argue that the fault of Communism lies not with the idea, but with the practice -- despite the fact that no successful large-scale Communism has ever been implemented in the world. Neither ideology can fail its adherents. They can only be failed by imperfect practitioners. Both ideologies run counter to human nature for the same reason: power abhors a vacuum. The people with the money and guns will always abuse the people who don't have the money and guns, unless there are multiple levels of checks, balances, and legal and economic protections to ensure the existence of a middle-class with a stake in maintaining a stable society. The modern state didn't arise by accident or conspiracy; it evolved as a means of avoiding the failures of other models. Libertarianism is a philosophical game played by those without real-world experience of localized, non-state-actor tyranny, or enough awareness of history to understand the immaturity of their political worldview. It is based, like Marxism, on fantasy and rejection of the real world.

Headline makes it look like Booker got busted. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #1
Dotted up now. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #2
TY! lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #3
It should be noted that his PAC spends about ten million NullTuples Jul 2021 #4
Is it the amount or the hit on his reputation that may help get him out of office? BeckyDem Jul 2021 #5
Getting fined by the FCC is a badge of honor to the MAGAts, since the FCC is... Rabrrrrrr Jul 2021 #8
You're probably right, they make up vicious policy and call them freedoms. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #12
I've always felt that people say they're "libertarian" when calimary Jul 2021 #19
Totally agree. You can hear it in their responses, they distance themselves, somewhat from the pack. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #21
I used to be a Libertarian back in the day. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2021 #23
I appreciate that you shared that on background. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #25
He always scared me, too! calimary Jul 2021 #26
Absolutely, Rand is a lot worse. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #27
The late writer Iain Banks defined libertarianism as Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2021 #41
Thank you! 2Gingersnaps Jul 2021 #35
FEC not the FCC MagickMuffin Jul 2021 #22
Oh, no! I made a fuckin' typo!! Rabrrrrrr Jul 2021 #24
The FEC may be a different matter though. summer_in_TX Jul 2021 #32
Ads noting Paul's fine may be useful, though StClone Jul 2021 #6
Good! crickets Jul 2021 #7
Thank you! BeckyDem Jul 2021 #16
A fine is a fine, is a fine. However, $21,000 is pocket money to Sen Paul. Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #9
Cheapskate Libertarians can't stomach the loss of so much as a dime. nt oasis Jul 2021 #14
Busted as in hauled off to jail? SheltieLover Jul 2021 #10
Oh I wish! BeckyDem Jul 2021 #13
Ikr! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #28
I hope Booker defeats him IronLionZion Jul 2021 #11
Me too, and he just might this time. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #15
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Jul 2021 #17
Thanks! Booker is serious about challenging him BeckyDem Jul 2021 #18
K&R UTUSN Jul 2021 #20
Rand Theft Larceny Blue Owl Jul 2021 #29
ha ha +1 BeckyDem Jul 2021 #40
Booker should temper his optimism DFW Jul 2021 #30
Kentucky uses the ES&S voting machines with no paper trail KS Toronado Jul 2021 #31
Yikes! Duppers Jul 2021 #34
So you're saying the Democratic Governor allowed election fraud to occur? brooklynite Jul 2021 #36
Now why would a Democratic Governor allow election fraud to occur? KS Toronado Jul 2021 #44
So the Governor is helpless to do anything? brooklynite Jul 2021 #45
rigging voting machines is real..... KS Toronado Jul 2021 #47
"why the R always wins, even when behind in the polls" brooklynite Jul 2021 #48
You're right, VOTING MACHINES WITHOUT A PAPER TRAIL IS THE BEST WAY TO VOTE KS Toronado Jul 2021 #50
Why do people jump to absolutist responses like this? brooklynite Jul 2021 #51
And I believe ES&S voting machines are being hacked by republicans. KS Toronado Jul 2021 #52
Funny how the voting machines we lost on in 2004, 2010 and 2016... brooklynite Jul 2021 #53
Knowledge is free....try it KS Toronado Jul 2021 #54
I did; it talks about risk, not about evidence of hacking. brooklynite Jul 2021 #55
I think the race would have been a lot closer Bayard Jul 2021 #43
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #33
Thanks for posting that. He is a scoundrel. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #39
Thanks for the "Deep State" meme. KS Toronado Jul 2021 #46
Kentucky voters are going to get the candidate they want...unfortunately. brooklynite Jul 2021 #37
I remain hopeful Booker can break through, although the obstacles are tough. BeckyDem Jul 2021 #38
I never engage in "hope"; I crunch data brooklynite Jul 2021 #42
It doesn't matter who Democrats run in 2022 because no Democrat is going to win standingtall Jul 2021 #49
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