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LanternWaste

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68. New data often results in updating conclusions. Shocking (not)

Reply to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:45 PM

Jul 2021

Remind me to introduce you to my friend, the Scientific Method, when I have the time, patience and tolerance...

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This 900-person delta cluster in Mass. has CDC freaked out--74% are vaccinated [View all] LiberalArkie Jul 2021 OP

And we still have DUers refusing to mask. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #1

Yup, and bragging about it. Treefrog Jul 2021 #29

I've never stopped obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #42

sickening Skittles Jul 2021 #73

I was not masking up because the CDC guidelines said that in most cases it was not necessary. totodeinhere Jul 2021 #75

We also had DUers telling people to "Shut up and trust the science"..... BradAllison Jul 2021 #81

any DUers should have known better Skittles Jul 2021 #82

CDC reverses itself. Shocking n/t leftstreet Jul 2021 #2

When faced with new evidence. TDale313 Jul 2021 #3

What was the evidence for the May 13 mask relaxing? n/t leftstreet Jul 2021 #6

They made the assumption that Americans could accept advice on how to live and socialize. LiberalArkie Jul 2021 #12

This is hardly new evidence. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #13

Yes, you, and many of us on this board knew that was a stupid damn move. Treefrog Jul 2021 #30

Yep--and they did that with AIDS too crimycarny Jul 2021 #50

Yes exactly and PCIntern Jul 2021 #60

I knew a straight hemophiliac who died from an AIDS-tainted transfusion DFW Jul 2021 #78

Yep--happened to a co-worker's husband crimycarny Jul 2021 #94

The Truth and the way forward DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 2021 #99

nonsense Skittles Jul 2021 #76

New data often results in updating conclusions. Shocking (not) LanternWaste Jul 2021 #68

Delta was raging through India when the CDC announced leftstreet Jul 2021 #71

This is misleading Tarc Jul 2021 #4

"You won't end up in the hospital!" isn't a great slogan n/t leftstreet Jul 2021 #8

Nor is ignoring that delta is incredibly transmissible, Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #14

Then people who aren't vaxed should take precautions uponit7771 Jul 2021 #36

You know vaxxed people can get it, right? leftstreet Jul 2021 #38

With a 7% chance for critical/severe outcome and even lower for long covid. I'll take my EMPIRCAL uponit7771 Jul 2021 #40

How would you stop this "enabling bad behavior?" leftstreet Jul 2021 #41

1. Vax cards, 2. stop paying for these assholes bills who desides not to get vax, 3. have quick ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #43

Think you'd get further with stimulus checks leftstreet Jul 2021 #44

That too, but enabling bad behavior of just 50 million people affecting 280 millions is illogical on uponit7771 Jul 2021 #45

Wearing a mask, in addtion to being vaccinated is not enabling bad behavior. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #54

It 100% is enabling bad behavior, people who are vulnerable to severe/critical/lethal spread uponit7771 Jul 2021 #62

Delta is spreading among the vaccinated so if everyone was 100% vaxed Delta spread wouldn't stop uponit7771 Jul 2021 #67

Delta won't stop ***by vaccination alone*** Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #69

+1 leftstreet Jul 2021 #72

I agree, stopping spread was ... NOT ... the primary goal in the vax push seeing data before delta.. uponit7771 Jul 2021 #83

People who are vaccinated, can transmit the virus to both unvaccinated Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #53

True, the vulnerable to severe/critical/lethal spread need to take precautions seeing precautions .. uponit7771 Jul 2021 #64

It has zero to do with spoonfeeding anyone. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #66

Looking at the data 200m ... ARE ... safe from severe/critical/lethal exposure from those who uponit7771 Jul 2021 #77

Your statements and your cavalier attitude Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #80

If there wasn't resources for the unvaxed I'd agree but there **ARE** resources and people should uponit7771 Jul 2021 #84

You are aware our cars do have two layers of protection, right? Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #87

Hmmmm, is the CDC claiming spread would stop or slow down notably if the vaxed masked up? uponit7771 Jul 2021 #90

Thank you. Treefrog Jul 2021 #31

Yep what a slogan Meowmee Jul 2021 #33

Yes it is, I wish they have that for pancreas cancer or some shit uponit7771 Jul 2021 #35

Science and viruses don't really care about what looks good to you. LanternWaste Jul 2021 #70

Why not? That is one of the main selling points for why people should get the vaccine. totodeinhere Jul 2021 #79

+1, not only is it the main selling point the CDC isn't keeping up with infections among ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #93

Yes it is a call to mask up again. boston bean Jul 2021 #21

Except vaccinated ppl are able to spread the disease..that is a worry PortTack Jul 2021 #24

You are missing the point. Fully vaxxed people who catch Delta have 1,000 to almost 1,300 times the Celerity Jul 2021 #25

Then the unvaxed should take precautions ! We're seriously enabling bad behavior here uponit7771 Jul 2021 #37

It is coming down to their death wish being fulfilled, and innocent people are going to get Celerity Jul 2021 #58

"The innocent" need to take precautions and if they don't or their parents don't then that's ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #59

You are using a far more narrow definition of innocent than I am, apparently. Celerity Jul 2021 #65

I want to know more about boosters crimycarny Jul 2021 #55

They can spread it to unvaccinated people NickB79 Jul 2021 #27

THANK YOU !!! It looks like we're enabling bad behavior on its face. The unvaxed should take ... uponit7771 Jul 2021 #34

79 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have died, 303 hospitalized in very rare COVID 'breakthr womanofthehills Jul 2021 #51

+1, as the article says the breakthrough critical/lethal are rare and .1% of cv deaths uponit7771 Jul 2021 #86

Uh-oh. silverweb Jul 2021 #5

A bad batch of vaccine? Early vaccine recipients with a dissipating protection? NurseJackie Jul 2021 #7

A much more infectious virus variant-delta. LisaL Jul 2021 #9

I hope these people recover quickly... NurseJackie Jul 2021 #10

Yeah, I never stopped wearing my mask, but I had started to venture out again. Treefrog Jul 2021 #32

There is no indication that they are sick. Nt cinematicdiversions Jul 2021 #48

If you are talking about MA delta cluster we are discussing, majority of them are symptomatic. LisaL Jul 2021 #52

Maybe not, but they can spread the virus. marie999 Jul 2021 #61

This clickbait story about the CDC "freaking out" conflates the leaked internal CDC slideshow lapucelle Jul 2021 #56

Thanks! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #57

The details TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #11

((NPR indicated viral loads of the vaccinated can approach that of the unvaccinated)) nitpicker Jul 2021 #15

yes, even if you are vaxxed, your viral load in your (this is key) UPPER respiratory/nasal passages Celerity Jul 2021 #26

I'm waiting for my test results now spinbaby Jul 2021 #16

I hope your results are negative! nt chowder66 Jul 2021 #23

Provincetown . . . during Pride. What were they expecting there? Sympthsical Jul 2021 #17

Yes, they certainly weren't sitting at home to get those high infection rates. LisaL Jul 2021 #18

Being packed in like sardines is almost the point of much of it Sympthsical Jul 2021 #22

We lived in the Castro District at the start of the AIDs epidemic. marie999 Jul 2021 #63

How Ptown Got So Gay, Gay, Gay Klaralven Jul 2021 #74

We're right near there now DFW Jul 2021 #85

Chicago is gonna be fun a few weeks after lalapalooza oy vey mucifer Jul 2021 #19

yup. i'm ready to go back in my hidey hole. mopinko Jul 2021 #20

Is this still the same Delta variant as the Indian strain, or has it mutated once again? NickB79 Jul 2021 #28

That's a really good question leftstreet Jul 2021 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author joetheman Jul 2021 #46

What do you mean "did vaccination induce delta"? scipan Jul 2021 #47

Shingles is chickenpox NickB79 Jul 2021 #49

I'm going back to lock down mode until they figure out what is going on. twin_ghost Jul 2021 #88

Stats people have issues. Mosby Jul 2021 #89

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Some of the data I'm seeing on delta is at minimum innumeracy uponit7771 Jul 2021 #91

You're going to get covid BGBD Jul 2021 #92

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You Don't Even Believe The Crap You Post Jim G. Jul 2021 #96

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I'll Bet You Have Some Fancy Masks Jim G. Jul 2021 #98