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In reply to the discussion: Lying by Omission about Break-Thru Covid-19 Infections? [View all]bluewater
(5,420 posts)102. "If a state had a 100% vaccination rate, what percent of new cases would be breakthrough?"
I can answer that, 100%, of course! lol But I take your point.
But being serious, the issue is are vaccinated people more protected from the Delta variant than the unvaccinated, and to what degree.
I couldn't find vaccine totals for a given date for Virginia, but I could for Utah.
https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/vaccines.html
Vacines administer:
as of June 1 = 2,657,162
as of August 1 = 3035117
That's an increase of 12.5%
and from that excerpt I posted:
For other states that publish data like Utah, it's clear breakthroIugh cases have accelerated in the past two months. In Utah on June 2, 2021, just 27 or 8 percent of the 312 new cases in the state were breakthrough cases. As of July 26 there were 519 new cases and almost 20 percent or 94 were breakthroughs, according to state data."
Hmmm. on June 2, 2021, just 27 or 8 percent of the 312 new cases in the state were break thru. In July there were 519 new case, 94 breakthru cases for a breakthru percentage of 20%.
Huh, look at that. Your point exactly. Vaccination totals rose by 12% and the beakthru cases increased by 12%, more or less, during the Delta variant surge.
Wow, that's good news. right? or is it... No it's not. Because the excerpt I posted didn't just list percentages, it showed total new cases, which increased.
You would hope that if vaccinations increased that the total number of new cases would go down, right? But it did not.
But, heh, someone might say that is due to the Delta variant hitting the unvaccinated harder, increasing the total cases.
OK, but that's not what the Utah data showed. It showed an increase in total covid 19 cases in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations at virtually the same rate.
So, let me ask a better question than I did last time, would it be willfully concentrating on the negative to the point of being obsessive to notice that vaccinated and unvaccinated infections are increasing in Utah at the same rate?
In all seriousness, I would have expected to see that the % of breakthru cases DECLINED due to the vaccinated being better protected from the Delta variant than the unvaccinated, but that didn't happen.
Isn't that a reasonable basis for increased concern?
Asking for a friend...
All kidding aside, thank you for a thought provoking discussion.
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Exactly. I find the OP as offensive/seemingly willfully clueless as the accusations from other side
hlthe2b
Aug 2021
#5
I'm not even sure what you're saying. They're not lying. The vaccine is highly effective.
Dream Girl
Aug 2021
#4
Then why are they quoting statistics using months old data? No need to get personal.
bluewater
Aug 2021
#16
Who is "they"? Some random person on Twitter? The Tweet is not official just some random
Dream Girl
Aug 2021
#31
Yet you titled your post to imply CDC was "lying by omission." NO, you simply need to be able
hlthe2b
Aug 2021
#50
Your disingenous explanation without accepting responsibillity & editing your OP to clarify
hlthe2b
Aug 2021
#54
No. I am attacking your posts and questioning your motivation in not correcting erroneous
hlthe2b
Aug 2021
#59
And more have seen your baseless attacks on CDC that only helps the RW destroy confidence in
hlthe2b
Aug 2021
#62
If those numbers were 10 times worse than the vaccine was still be great and working as planned
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#10
You do understand that any one can post anything on social media. I could post year old data
Dream Girl
Aug 2021
#33
these insanely high claims for effectiveness against infection are bullshit, pure and simple
Celerity
Aug 2021
#14
It is VERY simple math, the 95% for Pfizer efficacy and 90% effectiveness numbers against infection
Celerity
Aug 2021
#27
It doesn't seem to be helping, I see a lot of doubling down and some ridiculing of other
Celerity
Aug 2021
#38
The ironic AF thing is that some of this is coming from people who are hardcore about masks!
bluewater
Aug 2021
#43
Also, over in the UK (I live in Sweden but I am London-raised) they had a very different outcome
Celerity
Aug 2021
#44
I do not see any good purpose for wilful and vast over-inflation of COVID-prevention numbers.
Celerity
Aug 2021
#47
We don't do ourselves any favors by overestimating the effectiveness of the vaccines.
dawg
Aug 2021
#25
"It's distressing that there are so many here that willfully focus on the negative..."
bluewater
Aug 2021
#84
"If a state had a 100% vaccination rate, what percent of new cases would be breakthrough?"
bluewater
Aug 2021
#102
I think it equally dishonest when people say even if you are vaccinated you are at any real risk
GulfCoast66
Aug 2021
#39
No, it's not lying, either "on purpose" or by accident. The data is incomplete
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2021
#48
"What we really need is a figure for total breakthrough infections from some time in June."
bluewater
Aug 2021
#51
"They are using the most current data they can - that's the point" No, they are not.
bluewater
Aug 2021
#94
I think you are personally assuming something that no one else does, and which is unrealistic
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2021
#97
You're assuming that 100% people will get infected in the absence of a vaccine.
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2021
#116
Here's a nice article stating how much more contagious the delta variant is:
bluewater
Aug 2021
#119
The problem is that you are demanding that people only talk about what you want to hear
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2021
#125
Again, you're blaming an article for not stating what you wanted it to state
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2021
#128
The only truly reliable data for ALL breakthrough infections of any sort in a group are the vax
Celerity
Aug 2021
#76
yes, I bookmarked this thread as I have posted a fair amount of hard data in it
Celerity
Aug 2021
#81
Have to agree with all that. I'm just trying to figure out how to get through the next month.
Tomconroy
Aug 2021
#104
No, that is wrong. Sorry. You are now delving into utter randomness as you are not taking into
Celerity
Aug 2021
#111
The vax trial we are in used both lab-grown and then later on, wild strain variants
Celerity
Aug 2021
#115