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Tommy Carcetti

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51. I'm saying their claims could not be substantiated.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 03:00 PM
Aug 2021

Why did he resign?

Mainly because political pressure--this was during the Doug Jones-Roy Moore Senate race, the Democrats wanted to take a zero-tolerance policy against allegations of sexual misconduct, and even though Franken himself supported a full investigation of the claims, it wasn't timely enough for their purposes. Kristen Gillibrand gets blamed a lot for this, and unfairly so because many Democrats beyond just her concurred, but regardless of who was to blame it was a rush to judgment.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken

I think the notion of "Believe all women" when it comes to high-profile individuals being accused of sexual misconduct is a terrible misguided mindset, even if it comes with the best of intentions.

We should give all such women making claims the right to be heard in good faith.

But if after their stories come out to public light and don't hold up to scrutiny, we are under no obligation to believe them, nor should we.

Otherwise we get women with discredited stories that just float out there for years that we're somehow asked to believe despite the fact they shouldn't be believed, like human garbage people Juanita Broadrick or Tara Reade.

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Agree with everything you said. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #1
He should have resigned months ago. Unbelievable. Hoyt Aug 2021 #2
I was fine waiting for the report to come out. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #4
He had to know the report was going to be this bad. He should have resigned. Hoyt Aug 2021 #8
I agree. And he's STILL not resigning! What a jerk. He cares nothing for the party or his state. pnwmom Aug 2021 #32
What allegations? Something new? Any link to refer to? Budi Aug 2021 #3
Here: Ilsa Aug 2021 #11
Thanks, hadn't seen this news yet. Budi Aug 2021 #16
I agree on Al Franken. Treefrog Aug 2021 #5
Whomever alerted on this story should have the courage to explain why. brooklynite Aug 2021 #6
I'm gonna bet someone who can be found on the numerous Cuomo defender threads of yore. Treefrog Aug 2021 #7
Agree. Most Alerts here are just petty. Hoyt Aug 2021 #9
I will attest to THAT! Budi Aug 2021 #17
He is going to resign in about ten minutes. Chainfire Aug 2021 #10
I heard he is "going to respond." Ilsa Aug 2021 #12
He only has one "response" left. He has to quit or get fired. Chainfire Aug 2021 #13
Does he believe that? Did his brother at CNN advise Ilsa Aug 2021 #15
I haven't heard a resignation yet, just his "side" of things, and denial. nt Ilsa Aug 2021 #19
No, he did not resign. Here in NY wnylib Aug 2021 #22
I am there too Bettie Aug 2021 #14
If anything, Democrats can be too trigger-happy when policing their own. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2021 #18
I don't think that we were trigger happy in this case. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #27
Once a Republican/Nazi politician is sent to jail I'll be glad to attack a Democrat. johnthewoodworker Aug 2021 #20
I am capable of multi tasking. I have long called for bringing Trump and his cronies to totodeinhere Aug 2021 #26
That is it...if we cave...then it is open season on our people...we Lost Katie Hill and her seat. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #42
+33. Harker Aug 2021 #21
Gotta disagree on Clinton... flotsam2 Aug 2021 #23
Well, it was a pockmark on his otherwise solid legacy as President. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #46
Agree flotsam2 Aug 2021 #47
I like Clinton, actually both of them, but his friendship with Epstein troubles me a lot. Treefrog Aug 2021 #69
It did before the media was willing to report on it treestar Aug 2021 #52
Did you see the last president accused of violating over 40 women? live love laugh Aug 2021 #70
But will he? I will be voting for Gavin Newsom again YoshidaYui Aug 2021 #24
+1 peppertree Aug 2021 #35
I agree with you except that I do not consider him on the "left." totodeinhere Aug 2021 #25
I was going to say the same thing. Andrew Cuomo is not on the left. He is a machinery democrat erronis Aug 2021 #33
Absolutely agree! ananda Aug 2021 #28
8 women accused Al Franken iemanja Aug 2021 #29
But his accusations took place BEFORE he took office Polybius Aug 2021 #36
That is not true iemanja Aug 2021 #38
I was talking about the main accusation Polybius Aug 2021 #56
The thing with Franken was the rush to judgement. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #37
Franken could have insisted on that iemanja Aug 2021 #39
Yes, it was frivolous. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #45
You think 8 women are liars iemanja Aug 2021 #48
I'm saying their claims could not be substantiated. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #51
How did the stories not hold up to scrutiny? iemanja Aug 2021 #57
Outside of Tweeden, the claims are that Franken touched them inappropriately while posing for pics. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #58
False again iemanja Aug 2021 #61
What article you linked to? Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #62
I think he should be held to account like any other public servant Marrah_Goodman Aug 2021 #30
Greg Palast called Cuomo a "schemy corporate toady" back in March paulkienitz Aug 2021 #31
He was winning by comparison, and playing that part well! Mopar151 Aug 2021 #34
I disagree completely when the accusers refused to be sworn in that was it for me... Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #40
Clinton had sex with a White House intern. Not sure that was frivolous. Had it happened today jalan48 Aug 2021 #41
It was a terrible lapse of judgment on his part, but still consensual. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #44
He was in a position of power over her so not consensual questionseverything Aug 2021 #50
She was an adult, he was an adult. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #53
He had power over her so there can't be consent questionseverything Aug 2021 #54
There's never been anything that suggests Clinton pressured Monica into a relationship. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2021 #55
I mean you could use that argument BoycottTimHortons Aug 2021 #65
A boss should never have sex with an underling. marie999 Aug 2021 #63
According to comments 55 & 65 it's no problem at all questionseverything Aug 2021 #67
Cuomo may be a creep but, Mr. Evil Aug 2021 #43
Why do you want the Democratic Party iemanja Aug 2021 #49
Gee, I don't remember inferring anything of the sort. Mr. Evil Aug 2021 #59
There are a number of civil suits pending iemanja Aug 2021 #60
Once again, Mr. Evil Aug 2021 #66
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2021 #72
clearly you are arguing it shouldn't be dealt with iemanja Aug 2021 #73
"My guess is they don't want to pursue that" brooklynite Aug 2021 #64
Agreed but I'd like to hear more calls for the seditionists in congress to resign as well ecstatic Aug 2021 #68
Totally illustrates the difference between a Democratic party response to slime, and the BComplex Aug 2021 #71
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