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Th1onein

(8,514 posts) Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:55 PM Oct 2012

Another young kid trapped into acting as a terrorist by the FBI [View all]

From MSN: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/17/14514354-plot-to-attack-federal-reserve-in-nyc-suspect-thought-he-had-1000-pound-bomb-authorities-say?lite

He allegedly sought out al-Qaida contacts to help him, unknowingly recruiting an FBI source in the process. At that point, the FBI and NYPD began monitoring him as he developed the plot, prosecutors said.

An undercover FBI agent posed as an al-Qaida facilitator, supplying him with 20 50-pound bags of what he thought were explosives to use in building his bomb. Nafis also visited the Lower Manhattan site multiple times as he planned the attack, officials said.

The complaint said he told an agent in July that he wanted "something very big ... that will shake the whole country."

Prosecutors say Nafis met the agent Wednesday morning and put the bomb inside a van before driving to the Fed building, assembling the detonator while he drove.

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Another young kid trapped into acting as a terrorist by the FBI [View all] Th1onein Oct 2012 OP

How was he trapped nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #1

These "stings" usually have a common theme: Th1onein Oct 2012 #3

"...you see the pattern emerging. It's always the same." Poll_Blind Oct 2012 #4

"Spit and vinegar." Robb Oct 2012 #6

And if it had been a real 'al qaida facilitator'? n/t jackbenimble Oct 2012 #12

there are no real al qaida facilitators, apparently. because every 'terror plot' uncovered so far HiPointDem Oct 2012 #80

Non-answer. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #107

but it's never yet happened. all the terror plots have been facilitated by the fbi or police. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #111

Why do they do any of the things they do? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #115

and yet, it's never happened. no doubt because the fbi has done such a good job of rounding HiPointDem Oct 2012 #116

Oh Please jackbenimble Oct 2012 #118

Big difference between being allowed to show intent and being induced. I don't know this kid, nor do Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #119

Not induced and not a kid. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #121

Do you believe in actual conspiracies? Do you doubt that J. Edgar Hoover used the resources of the Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #124

Oh name calling, wow. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #142

I'm sorry, did I give you the impression that your opinion is relevant? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #150

Ha ha ha ha jackbenimble Oct 2012 #153

you're the only person who said anything about 'racism'. by way of avoiding the point, which is -- HiPointDem Oct 2012 #122

Enlighten me then jackbenimble Oct 2012 #135

no, i can't. as you're the cheerleader, it's your job to enlighten *me*. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #138

I'm not the one who is making elusive posts. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #143

lol. you can't enlighten me because i'm right. no terror plots unearthed except those where HiPointDem Oct 2012 #144

So is that what it is you want? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #146

lol. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #149

tell me a domestic 'al qaida' 'terror plot' in the us where *al qaida* has recruited young men. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #123

Oh I see jackbenimble Oct 2012 #136

oh i see -- you can't. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #137

Can't what? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #145

Well, except the one that involved flying planes UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #139

11 years ago. so we passed laws that lets us lock up illiterate black men, students & anarchists. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #141

You just have to be smart enough to not plan to UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #147

nope. people can blow stuff up without talking to the fbi & lettng them pick the target and supply HiPointDem Oct 2012 #148

You have no point other the U.S. government is always evil UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #151

lol. perhaps a course in logic? nope, my point is very clear. every 'terror plot' since 911, HiPointDem Oct 2012 #152

I mean who hasn't, (in a fit of "youthful indiscretion"!) put together a Nitrogen-fuel bomb Romulox Oct 2012 #60

Way to cherry pick the article. Didn't mention what actually happened, did you? GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #63

+ Infinity! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #105

Oh for fuck's sake. You know zip, zero, nada, zilch and you make cali Oct 2012 #125

Um, no. Fuck that guy. Robb Oct 2012 #2

No, story I heard is he came from Bangladesh for this purpose. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #5

I submit to you... Th1onein Oct 2012 #7

I submit to you that what you read on an Internet board from an onenote Oct 2012 #17

So, MSN is anonymous and uninformed? Th1onein Oct 2012 #22

One minute you're saying you can't believe the news. The next you're citing it as the basis for your onenote Oct 2012 #34

The FACTS support my opinion. Th1onein Oct 2012 #44

Well, only the FACTS you choose to accept. If you look at ALL the FACTS... cleanhippie Oct 2012 #85

Once again, believing everything the mainstream media throws at you is not good. Th1onein Oct 2012 #99

No one is doing that, but at the same time you disparage the MSM, you also use them as a source. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #109

Wow, you got that right. His hypocrisy is plainly evident. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #83

I think that, as the story unfolds, we might hear who "facilitated" who. Th1onein Oct 2012 #8

And the part of the story where he's taped trying to blow up a building is excusable? Seriously? bettyellen Oct 2012 #10

you mean the part where he's taped talking to the gov't provocateur talking about blowing up a HiPointDem Oct 2012 #81

facilitated by nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #11

YOU GOT IT! Th1onein Oct 2012 #14

look... nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #18

No, YOU look..... Th1onein Oct 2012 #21

".......going about trying to FIND someone from a terrorist organization to help them......." WillowTree Oct 2012 #28

Do you know what the word "SUPPOSEDLY" means? Th1onein Oct 2012 #30

Actually, I do. WillowTree Oct 2012 #32

I'm not surprised when someone believes everything the mainstream media dishes out to them. Th1onein Oct 2012 #33

The majority of these things turn into mistrials, acquittals and just plain wasts of our taxpayers glacierbay Oct 2012 #58

Do your own homework. Th1onein Oct 2012 #73

You're the one who made the claim glacierbay Oct 2012 #79

I've already posted several links to stories about this. Th1onein Oct 2012 #100

Wait, what? You distrust the mainstream media, yet use the mainstream media as your source? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #87

I'm so sorry you have problems with research. Th1onein Oct 2012 #101

The only problem I have is whith your apparent hypocrisy, and nothing more. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #110

That's very amusing.... Th1onein Oct 2012 #113

I'm just trying to figure out what you feel is a valid source. Make up your mind. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #114

No you're not. YOU'RE the one who asked for me to source this, in the first place. Th1onein Oct 2012 #117

No, you told someone ELSE that. Do try and keep your conversations straight. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #133

I'm just now finding out how absolutely boring some people can be. Th1onein Oct 2012 #155

Thank goodness they are intercepted by agents. That's how they're caught. Duh. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #13

Yeah, he came here to MISSOURI for that purpose! Haha! Th1onein Oct 2012 #16

At least as many as in Oklahoma City. WillowTree Oct 2012 #23

Oklahoma City involved true domestic terrorists..... Th1onein Oct 2012 #24

The point apparently went several feet over your head. WillowTree Oct 2012 #29

Then why just say that? Explain how it went "several feet over" my head. Th1onein Oct 2012 #31

Yep. Sailed right the fuck over with feet to spare. Mt DevonRex Oct 2012 #36

"feet"? I think there was orbital potential there. PavePusher Oct 2012 #39

Yeah there are a lot of targets in glacierbay Oct 2012 #49

"Kids"? PavePusher Oct 2012 #38

I think it is telling that you keep referring to a 21 year old as a "kid", and you wild specualation cleanhippie Oct 2012 #86

That's not entrapment either. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #54

How about this: ieoeja Oct 2012 #72

Here are the conditions for an entrapment defense: NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #74

"there must be persuasion to commit a crime by the entrapping party". indeed. & we will know HiPointDem Oct 2012 #88

It's tough. According to the story, the person "sought out" al-Qaida contacts and had already NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #90

yes, 'according to the story'. and the 'story' is based on the testimony of the gov't provocateurs. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #91

Well, we'll find out when it goes to trial, won't we. glacierbay Oct 2012 #94

probably not. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #95

Probably not what? glacierbay Oct 2012 #96

we probably won't find out. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #97

The only reason we wouldn't find out glacierbay Oct 2012 #98

whatever you say HiPointDem Oct 2012 #102

I'm really not trying to be an asshole here glacierbay Oct 2012 #104

Sure thing. Let them be. Archae Oct 2012 #9

Actually, I'm loving all these stings and undercover stuff the FBI is doing quinnox Oct 2012 #15

So - are you saying they should have let him do it? Generic Brad Oct 2012 #19

Did you even READ the article, Generic Brad? Because it doesn't look like you did. eom Th1onein Oct 2012 #27

I DID Generic Brad Oct 2012 #46

Oh, NOW, you read it, after I asked you, right? Th1onein Oct 2012 #47

I still disagree with you Generic Brad Oct 2012 #75

And so do the Repugs about Obama saying "Act of terror." Go figure. Th1onein Oct 2012 #93

You questioned my ability to comprehend what I was reading Generic Brad Oct 2012 #154

Actually, it was something else entirely. Th1onein Oct 2012 #156

Nope. I read the article Generic Brad Oct 2012 #160

Fortunately, it is not up to you to decide. Th1onein Oct 2012 #163

So you would rather he carry out the bombing on his own. oneshooter Oct 2012 #92

Yes, trapped. Because driving that van to a police station would have been impossible. Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #20

Hell, if he wanted to be a terrorist, he could have joined the CIA and guided drones. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #25

right. because that's the only form of terrorism in the wide world. cali Oct 2012 #45

intelligence services generally are probably one of the biggest forms. certainly is a lot of HiPointDem Oct 2012 #89

biggest isn't only. cali Oct 2012 #127

biggest is biggest. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #134

Yeah, I'm sure he loves America.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #26

So this guy tries to blow up a building holding 400 billion in foreign gold reserves name not needed Oct 2012 #35

Oh bull fucking shit. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #37

That "young kid" is a twenty-one year old man. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #40

He allegedly came to America to blow things up Democat Oct 2012 #41

He detonated by cell phone what he thought was a truck of DevonRex Oct 2012 #42

Who financed his travel and his education? jsr Oct 2012 #43

His parents. The Midway Rebel Oct 2012 #50

Where is the kid in the story. Looks like it is in reference to an adult. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #48

I disagree, I have no problem with the FBI providing fake bombs to upstart terrorists DrewFlorida Oct 2012 #51

Absolutely no sympathy here for the so called kid. gordianot Oct 2012 #52

" He allegedly sought out al-Qaida contacts to help him" madinmaryland Oct 2012 #53

He wasn't a young "kid" he is a young man Marrah_G Oct 2012 #55

How the FUCK can you sympathize with this little piece of shit?!? GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #56

yup quinnox Oct 2012 #59

Yep GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #66

I think republican statements about how we should act in regards to the rest of the world bluestate10 Oct 2012 #78

sometimes I think those stories are here to "trap" liberals into agreeing.. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #158

... slutticus Oct 2012 #57

Thread reads like parody. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #61

I doubt the kid just fell into this situation. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #62

You'd be surprised Th1onein Oct 2012 #126

Yah riiiight. The kid was just doing his homework, and a pop-up appeared on his screen.. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #159

This American Life had an excellent segment... MinM Oct 2012 #64

The big difference here is glacierbay Oct 2012 #67

Gee, I wonder why such a thing would never happen to me? Throd Oct 2012 #65

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing nobodyspecial Oct 2012 #82

this is disgusting. Just to bolster the neocon's claim that terrorism is a huge threat to America librechik Oct 2012 #68

So he wanted to blow stuff up gollygee Oct 2012 #69

Horseshit leftynyc Oct 2012 #70

He's got very little defense. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #71

He is such a doe eyed saint. He only wanted to kill our President and/or blow up the bluestate10 Oct 2012 #76

I'm sorry... Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #77

Any "kid" who is DUMB ENOUGH to fall for something like that needs to be incarcerated slackmaster Oct 2012 #84

And yet you are surrounded by them every single day you leave your house. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #120

Falling for a sting operation like that requires a special kind of stupidity slackmaster Oct 2012 #131

Come now people, it could happen to any of us.. EX500rider Oct 2012 #103

So you would be OK with it if he had acquired real bomb materials and detonated his van. npk Oct 2012 #106

+1 n/t jackbenimble Oct 2012 #108

Your quote directly contradicts your title. NashvilleLefty Oct 2012 #112

Let's See If I Understand This-- Iggy Oct 2012 #128

It wouldn't surprise me, MadHound Oct 2012 #129

Bullshit glacierbay Oct 2012 #132

Your 'young kid' is 21 years old. Lasher Oct 2012 #130

I have a completely different take on this WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #140

Your version makes more sense. It holds water. The thread we're in right now is silly. nt Electric Monk Oct 2012 #161

Oh brother. I know plenty of young people who would not go along with this. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #157

If someone offered you explosives to commit terrorist acts would you take them up on it? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #162

He's finally dead, but OBL won. Just look at this thread, the irrational fear that Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #164