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Volaris

(11,337 posts)
65. You're RIGHT about the connection between Gen-X males and their divorced fathers...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:58 PM
Oct 2012

For many of them, after the divorce happened, the kids stayed with mom, even if, really, they should have been with dad. Adolescent Males NEED interaction with older men, they NEED to know how grown men operate and deal with LIFE, and as long as dad isn't abusive, they need to be around dad at his "worst" They need to be at the poker table with dad's friends, so they can determine what KIND of man they want to be (it IS a proactive decision, after all) and split a beer on a Thursday night after a suck day, and, usually that's not stuff mom can teach them, even IF mom sees the need for that kind of thing. Those 40 year old Man-boys you speak of, they WANT and NEED the interaction of the Sacred Feminine to be a part of their lives, but it's tough for them, because they don't know what the Sacred Feminine needs in RETURN. And as women's roles in society become increasingly open, and increasingly Masculine in traditional terms, the only answer is that they need to understand the Sacred Feminine in OBJECTIVE terms (it's strengths, its weaknesses, its joys and sorrows, etc.). THEN, with that as an "equal and opposite" they can begin the damn hard process of re-constructing what it is to be a Male from scratch. And if you think I'm kidding about that process being difficult, pop in a copy of the film Fight Club, and watch it a couple of times. It's a nasty bit of business doing all that work with no Mentor, no dad's or older brother's or Uncles. It takes time. The smart ones WILL get it. But, quite UNLIKE the process of natural spiritual progression that, in women, is VERY closely tied to the chemical and biological process of the physical Self, Men NEVER HAVE THAT, and so the process for them is NOT INTUITIVE, it must be LEARNED. It has to be PRO-ACTIVELY undertaken. Don't despair, and for God's Sake, STOP dating men you meet at bars. You get what you PAY FOR when it comes to dating in the Modern Age, and there are more than a few reputable matchmaking sites that take into account your personality type, as well as your level of knowledge about yourself, and do a pretty decent job of finding compatible possible mates. Don't date guys from bars. I'm a guy, and trust me, mostly it's a waste of your time.
Sorry so long again. I like this topic. If you have Male children, ESPECIALLY teen boys, get them 4 things:
Fight Club
The Matrix Trilogy (there's a lot in there about how to understand the universe as an OBJECTIVE reality, rather than a SUBJECTIVE thing that causes us pain and grief, but you have to know how to get to it..it's under the surface, but it's THERE. And that objective sense of the universe is a pretty big key to adult masculinity).
Iron John (a book by Robert Bly)
A copy of Women who Run with The Wolves (Yes, every man should read it. It helps them understand the Crazy in the women they have to deal with, and realize it's not really as Crazy as it seems. I give it as a Christmas gift to men and women who HAVEN'T read it. It's that good.)

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Binders full of FAIL! tk2kewl Oct 2012 #1
FUCK yeah! FirstLight Oct 2012 #2
I may have an answer for you on the Generational thing.... Volaris Oct 2012 #40
well said! FirstLight Oct 2012 #49
You're RIGHT about the connection between Gen-X males and their divorced fathers... Volaris Oct 2012 #65
I am totally right there with you on this FirstLight Oct 2012 #68
Make DAMN sure though the younger one doesn't move to a spiritual place Volaris Oct 2012 #72
AND THEN-- annabanana Oct 2012 #3
And the woman's husband couldn't cook? Couldn't get away from work? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #4
Yeap, all the time he worked at Bain he saw no qualified women? Tells a lot about Bain... uponit7771 Oct 2012 #5
Women don't need equal pay, we just need more time to cook! blue neen Oct 2012 #6
What nauseated me the most was his attempt to bully Crowley by catbyte Oct 2012 #7
His body language all night was entitled bully. dhendry Oct 2012 #54
Mitt needs a Dumpster. mlevans Oct 2012 #8
Incredible post Matariki Oct 2012 #9
He is so incredibly out of touch. Quantess Oct 2012 #10
I just realized why Willard gave that answer. surfwith Oct 2012 #11
Welcome to DU, surfwith! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #24
PERFECT Post 2theleft Oct 2012 #12
BRAVO!!!!! redqueen Oct 2012 #13
I am a woman. So is my wife. n/t Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #22
... redqueen Oct 2012 #25
It's all right, redqueen. A lot of people misidentify me as male based on my writing style. Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #27
She is a woman. She also mentions in the OP that she and her wife are BOTH mothers. nt tblue37 Oct 2012 #33
dinner hibbing Oct 2012 #14
Just let the girls go home early JenniferJuniper Oct 2012 #15
Wow!! That's a blast from the past! FailureToCommunicate Oct 2012 #60
I'm a man. It was always me with the "flex time" to cook dinner. hunter Oct 2012 #16
He is a MORMON! If you want to know his views on women teewrex Oct 2012 #17
PA...you are on a SERIOUS ROLL!! Huge K&R! bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #18
He never addressed the pay issue!!! DryHump Oct 2012 #19
He Stopped Just Short Of Saying............. ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2012 #20
yeah heaven05 Oct 2012 #21
Fantastic post! As always, you illuminate the question perfectly. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #23
K&R abelenkpe Oct 2012 #26
Hold on, let me just call up the factory NiteOwll Oct 2012 #28
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #29
Bravo! JawJaw Oct 2012 #30
More like the 1950's. Before BC access and glowing Oct 2012 #31
I'm a dad and I make dinner for my wife and kids every evening Aldo Leopold Oct 2012 #32
Just to be a nerd, SCVDem Oct 2012 #34
Thanks. It's been a long time since TNG and I couldn't remember. n/t Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #35
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #42
If Mitt weren't so tall I would swear he was Quark's long-lost other brother. Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #45
A public apology. Moosepoop Oct 2012 #47
This picture contains a virus! Moosepoop Oct 2012 #46
Picture is from Funny or Die, not site posted. hunter Oct 2012 #48
That one is fine! Moosepoop Oct 2012 #50
And the hilarious punchline is this: Romney is pandering (and lying) here. cemaphonic Oct 2012 #36
You give Mitt too much credit. He's straight out of the 1950s. He's LibDemAlways Oct 2012 #37
The part about "cooking dinner" is certainly the one that pisses me the most. Mass Oct 2012 #38
+1000 lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #39
I got married in 1980 SheilaT Oct 2012 #41
Even His "Binders" Comment Was A Lie DallasNE Oct 2012 #43
lost mittens is such a loathsome thing. nt Javaman Oct 2012 #44
love this rant! southmost Oct 2012 #51
I would never be where Mitt is financially because I would have stopped and spent more time with my Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #52
Brilliantly and forcefully stated. Well done, Plaid Adder! dhendry Oct 2012 #53
newbie here but ABSOLUTELY HAD to say... dangerdoll Oct 2012 #55
Welcome to DU. surrealAmerican Oct 2012 #57
thanks! dangerdoll Oct 2012 #58
I have a minor quibble with #2 Major Nikon Oct 2012 #56
Great righteous rant! K&R nt femrap Oct 2012 #59
PA, I love you... KatyaR Oct 2012 #61
I'm really glad you are posting again. n/t Change has come Oct 2012 #62
omg there is a planet Ferenginar!!!! I thought you made that up. robinlynne Oct 2012 #63
great thread! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #64
Most insightful response of the whole debate M---Girl Oct 2012 #66
I raised four kids as a single working mother. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #67
Two minutes of fail, one post of genius WoodyD Oct 2012 #69
Did you see the look on the woman's face that asked the question? Kalidurga Oct 2012 #70
This sums it up nicely... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #71
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