General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Romney's Equal Pay Answer: Two Solid Minutes of FAIL [View all]Volaris
(11,337 posts)For many of them, after the divorce happened, the kids stayed with mom, even if, really, they should have been with dad. Adolescent Males NEED interaction with older men, they NEED to know how grown men operate and deal with LIFE, and as long as dad isn't abusive, they need to be around dad at his "worst" They need to be at the poker table with dad's friends, so they can determine what KIND of man they want to be (it IS a proactive decision, after all) and split a beer on a Thursday night after a suck day, and, usually that's not stuff mom can teach them, even IF mom sees the need for that kind of thing. Those 40 year old Man-boys you speak of, they WANT and NEED the interaction of the Sacred Feminine to be a part of their lives, but it's tough for them, because they don't know what the Sacred Feminine needs in RETURN. And as women's roles in society become increasingly open, and increasingly Masculine in traditional terms, the only answer is that they need to understand the Sacred Feminine in OBJECTIVE terms (it's strengths, its weaknesses, its joys and sorrows, etc.). THEN, with that as an "equal and opposite" they can begin the damn hard process of re-constructing what it is to be a Male from scratch. And if you think I'm kidding about that process being difficult, pop in a copy of the film Fight Club, and watch it a couple of times. It's a nasty bit of business doing all that work with no Mentor, no dad's or older brother's or Uncles. It takes time. The smart ones WILL get it. But, quite UNLIKE the process of natural spiritual progression that, in women, is VERY closely tied to the chemical and biological process of the physical Self, Men NEVER HAVE THAT, and so the process for them is NOT INTUITIVE, it must be LEARNED. It has to be PRO-ACTIVELY undertaken. Don't despair, and for God's Sake, STOP dating men you meet at bars. You get what you PAY FOR when it comes to dating in the Modern Age, and there are more than a few reputable matchmaking sites that take into account your personality type, as well as your level of knowledge about yourself, and do a pretty decent job of finding compatible possible mates. Don't date guys from bars. I'm a guy, and trust me, mostly it's a waste of your time.
Sorry so long again. I like this topic. If you have Male children, ESPECIALLY teen boys, get them 4 things:
Fight Club
The Matrix Trilogy (there's a lot in there about how to understand the universe as an OBJECTIVE reality, rather than a SUBJECTIVE thing that causes us pain and grief, but you have to know how to get to it..it's under the surface, but it's THERE. And that objective sense of the universe is a pretty big key to adult masculinity).
Iron John (a book by Robert Bly)
A copy of Women who Run with The Wolves (Yes, every man should read it. It helps them understand the Crazy in the women they have to deal with, and realize it's not really as Crazy as it seems. I give it as a Christmas gift to men and women who HAVEN'T read it. It's that good.)